The legacy of 'W'?

That's a really good question. I think when it comes to politics, probably religious lines. I'd have to think about that one

The reason I ask is because your comment on Romney is interesting, yet true.

I think, initially anyway, that we're more ready for a black or female president than a Mormon. Interesting to say the least.

The reason I ask is because your comment on Romney is interesting, yet true.

I think, initially anyway, that we're more ready for a black or female president than a Mormon. Interesting to say the least.

You hear that story about the guy who recently refused to shake Romney's hand "because he's a Mormon" Had that been Obama and "I refuse to shake hands with a Black man" that story would be everywhere. Maybe it's because Mormons don't have as strong a voice nationally, but still I find it interesting that there was no real outcry over that.

When are the next debates by the way?

We know one thing about Romney, he won't win Massachusetts. Man, he whales on the state that elected him as governor. There are certain thing you aught not do and that's trash your own state.

You hear that story about the guy who recently refused to shake Romney's hand "because he's a Mormon" Had that been Obama and "I refuse to shake hands with a Black man" that story would be everywhere. Maybe it's because Mormons don't have as strong a voice nationally, but still I find it interesting that there was no real outcry over that.

When are the next debates by the way?

Yeah, that would have spread like wild fire had it been Obama.

My thoughts on the question of Mormonism is that, perhaps, when we look at the Constitution and, more importantly, the patriarchs, they were either Christian or espoused some type of religious beliefs. You know, we have some precendent there, some history with "Christianity". As progressive and as forward thinking we have become over the centuries, Mormonism, while accepted, probably isn't perceived as the faith that invested in the forging and the forming of the Union. Besides Brigham Young, I can't think of any modern day Mormon that has made a significant impact on the country.

People say well, I'm not religious so I don't care one way or another. Again, I don't think it's entirely a matter of him being religious or holdng up God, though I think that's a big part of it, I think it's a matter of people not knowing much about this "faith of yours." Yes, they teach a lot of the same values and beliefs and even scriptures, but it's almost perceieved as it's own little sect or society of people and not a part of the mainstream.

I welcome anyone to help us us on this one. But I think in general people dont' separate individuals from their faith. And if people are a tad bit skeptical about Mormonism, which they are, then they're probably going to be hesitant on Romney too.

I think the next debate for the Repubs is June 30th in Iowa. I think the candidates are growing weary of dabating with such a wide field of candidates.

I went to a Mormon church as an adolescent for a few years with my best friend at the time, who was a Mormon.

I have been to churches of several different Christian faiths, and that church was not much different than any other. In fact, it was a little more focused and I enjoyed it more than any other church I had previously been to.

Mormons believe that Christ was the savior, and the Bible is a large part of their teachings. They just have one additional book: The Book of Mormon. During my time attending that church, I didn't ever hear or see anything that was uniquely "Mormon" -- except that communion was with water, instead of wine. Maybe I would have noticed something else, if I had paid closer attention (remember, I was an adolescent).

That said, there is definitely an attitude of disdain surrounding the Mormon faith. I know because I have encountered it on several occasions. Many people focus on polygamy and their strict dietary habits. However, none of the hundreds of Mormons who attended my church had more than one wife, and their diets were average for the most part -- albeit a little healthier. That's not to say there aren't Orthodox Mormons, and fanatics, but every faith has them. I believe the attitude is mostly just due to ignorance.

I think it'll be difficult for a Mormon candidate to get elected. It's not that easy to overcome ignorance.

*I'm not an expert on the Mormon faith, so I could be a little off on some details*

We know one thing about Romney, he won't win Massachusetts. Man, he whales on the state that elected him as governor. There are certain thing you aught not do and that's trash your own state.

I think what really hurts Romney (beyond his religion) is that he's essentially the same as W. A businessman turned governor. I think the country as a whole wants to get away from that "businessman mentality" in the White House. Then again, I'm not sure most of America even makes that comparison between the two now that I think about it

I'm not trying to "jump on you" or be racially insensitive because that's not my stick, but I think often times we allow the media to feed us images of a candidate and we're really in the dark about who they really are and what they're really about. Either of his books are good reads and pretty insightful about him as an individual and a candidate.

Well, I'm not the type to allow the media to influence me at all. Hell, I even said in an earlier post here that I would vote for Obama, not because he's black or white or purple or green, but because of his views. I generally lean to the right even though I am an Independant, so for me to say that obviously means there is no racial implications. For as cliche as this sounds I don't see color, never have never will. My mother raised me around all sorts of different races so I just see people. However, after I went to college in Arkansas, I realized that the world is very racist. Sure it sucks, but it's reality. I know for as much as I would like to see people not make racist decisions, I know they still will. This means he will be on an uphill battle. If you really feel that Illinios is just as racist as say, Alabama, in regards to african americans, then really this little debate won't go any farther cause it's far from true. Just like the bible belt has issues with women in power...hell they think it's in the bible to not have women in power, so if they vote for a woman, they are "going against God" in their minds. I really feel that whoever the republicans throw up won't need to overcome these issues.
For as much as I don't want to turn this into a racial debate, it appears it has been. I will try harder not to even bring it up. Whenever race is brought up the quality of discussion goes dramatically down cause there is always someone that gets offended.
I hope that everyone involved and everyone voting doesn't see race, I hope they see issues.

We know one thing about Romney, he won't win Massachusetts. Man, he whales on the state that elected him as governor. There are certain thing you aught not do and that's trash your own state.


I would tend to agree with you, but Kerry got the Mass. votes during his run and he is hated in that area. I should know, I lived there. For some reason, people feel an obligation to vote for the "home team" up there. It was really surprising to hear it too. I know several people that will vote straight party lines, no matter what, and I know several that will just pick the home town guy. It's sad but true. I am expecting Romney to get A LOT of Mass. votes.

Crazyhorse,

I normally refrain from writing the following kinds of posts, but I am making an exception for you as you have constantly told members that they are ignorant fools.

I knew from reading your posts that you were either a college professor or a college student. You are very preachy, condescending, self-righteous, melodramatic, and have NO sense of nuance. It is obvious you get extremely emotional when talking politics and that affects your objectivity and sense of proportionality. It came as no surprise to learn that you are an english professor. Sometimes your posts read like propoganda coming out of North Korea (i.e., "The imperialist swine have continued their violent, bloodthirsty march toward a corrupt, capitalist-pig scheme.") Please stop watching the movie "V for Vendetta," listening to Air America, and chilling with fellow professors of similar political persuasions.

I know you think you're fighting the good fight and informing those of us who just need to go through some "re-education camps." But, you're just coming off as that condescending, melodramatic, and self-righteous guy who lives in an ivory tower.

PS - I'm not responding to Crazyhorse's viewpoints (as I share some of his views), but the manner in which he expresses them.

Crazyhorse,

I normally refrain from writing the following kinds of posts, but I am making an exception for you as you have constantly told members that they are ignorant fools.

I knew from reading your posts that you were either a college professor or a college student. You are very preachy, condescending, self-righteous, melodramatic, and have NO sense of nuance. It is obvious you get extremely emotional when talking politics and that affects your objectivity and sense of proportionality. It came as no surprise to learn that you are an english professor. Sometimes your posts read like propoganda coming out of North Korea (i.e., "The imperialist swine have continued their violent, bloodthirsty march toward a corrupt, capitalist-pig scheme.") Please stop watching the movie "V for Vendetta," listening to Air America, and chilling with fellow professors of similar political persuasions.

I know you think you're fighting the good fight and informing those of us who just need to go through some "re-education camps." But, you're just coming off as that condescending, melodramatic, and self-righteous guy who lives in an ivory tower.

PS - I'm not responding to Crazyhorse's viewpoints (as I share some of his views), but the manner in which he expresses them.


Well said.
Although maybe you should change your views. LOL :D JK