The legacy of 'W'?

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GhettoDogAllStars
07-16-2007, 04:30 AM
Quite true, and we need a gross National Product other than Entertainment.

Yup, and we have nothing right now. I just don't understand why we don't use corn. It makes no sense. And if I were the government, I'd grow, produce, manufacture weed. We would create jobs, reduce crime, and severely reduce taxes with it's revenue.

We do have airplanes and defense equipment. Although I am not certain, a very large percentage of the world's aircraft is probably produced here. The same is probably true for defense equipment. Both industries are very lucrative as well.

KLHJ2
07-16-2007, 04:32 AM
We do have airplanes and defense equipment. Although I am not certain, a very large percentage of the world's aircraft is probably produced here. The same is probably true for defense equipment. Both industries are very lucrative as well.


I didn't even think about that, that is very true. However, we don't sell our good stuff to everybody else.

jsarno
07-16-2007, 04:36 AM
We shall see, but I am not holding my breath.


I am...cough cough...LOL.

jsarno
07-16-2007, 04:39 AM
We do have airplanes and defense equipment. Although I am not certain, a very large percentage of the world's aircraft is probably produced here. The same is probably true for defense equipment. Both industries are very lucrative as well.

Very true...we just need to rely on something else for our fuel. Obviously, even jacking the price to unreasonable amounts doesn't even slow us down on consumption...we need another option.

jsarno
07-16-2007, 04:40 AM
Congrats on all accomplishments. I'm very sorry about your daughter and admire you for your skills and attitude.

Thank you.

12thMan
07-16-2007, 09:49 AM
I would totally vote for him but he's not going to make it out of the Republican primaries and he said if he doesn't he wouldn't run as an independent. Basically, I'm not going to be able to vote for him.

Obama on the other hand has a realistic chance of winning the primary. We'll just have to see if he can beat Hilary.

As for Gore, his time is up. I don't get why the fuck people want him to run. That ship has sailed. Time to move on.

I'm glad to see you come over to the Obama camp. He's definitely within striking distance of Hillary.

By the way, don't be suprised to see Obama and Edwards on the same ticket.

12thMan
07-16-2007, 11:05 AM
That's because Obama is about as black as Brunell. What percentage african american is he anyway?
Sad thing is he won't get the proper recognition cause you know that KKK type people that live in the deep south could care less what he has to say

I know you're not trying to be racist here, but what does that mean, he's as black as Brunell? Senator Obama, and you may know this already, but his father is from Kenya and his mother is from Kansas; Both are deceased. But in our society, particularly America, if you're just a tacit black, you're considered all black. No one's really looking at him as a half white candidate or a mixed candidate. As far as America is concerned, he's just as black as, let's say, Bernie Mack!!

Also, when you look at his work prior to joining the state and U.S. Senate, respectively, for three years he earned a paltry salary as a community organizer on the south side of Chicago. Now I'm not sure if you've ever been to the south side of Chi-town, but it's the hood all day long! My point is, he's not just another black candidate with a nice pretty resume from Harvard, he actually has some dirt under his fingernails working with the black community and he has strong ties to the black church as well. I only highlight these points because, in my mind, that settles the issue of his "blackness", if you will. The media has tried to spin that question a few times - Is he black enough or is white America ready for a black President?

I partially disagree with the assumption that folks in the deep south could care less about what he's saying. I don't think the vast majority of voters in the south are looking at things in that context. Like Saden, I've been working with the campaign here in D.C. (volunteering) and the response, at least in this region, has been pretty positive. It's also worth noting that parts of the state of Illinois are just as segragated and backwards as parts of the south. Yet he proved to be effective enough to overcome racial barriers there to become Senator.

I feel Americans are ready to unite the country at all costs, and they're looking for leadership right now; Whether it's a Latino, a female, a black, or caucasion. I'll go a step further, they're not overly concerned with party affiliation as they have been in the past. I think when you look at the overwhelming response people have had to both Senator Obama and Hillary, it's a good indication of how people are willing to break from the status quo and move the country foward. Americans are hungry for new leadership.

I'm not trying to "jump on you" or be racially insensitive because that's not my stick, but I think often times we allow the media to feed us images of a candidate and we're really in the dark about who they really are and what they're really about. Either of his books are good reads and pretty insightful about him as an individual and a candidate.

SmootSmack
07-16-2007, 11:41 AM
I feel Americans are ready to unite the country at all costs, and they're looking for leadership right now; Whether it's a Latino, a female, a black, or caucasion. I'll go a step further, they're not overly concerned with party affiliation as they have been in the past. I think when you look at the overwhelming response people have had to both Senator Obama and Hillary, it's a good indication of how people are willing to break from the status quo and move the country foward. Americans are hungry for new leadership.

Apparently we're not ready for a Mormon though. Really though, for all our forward thinking and championing of democracy here it's remarkable how backwards we are when it comes to our pool of leadership candidates, compared to the rest of the world.

12thMan
07-16-2007, 11:57 AM
Apparently we're not ready for a Mormon though. Really though, for all our forward thinking and championing of democracy here it's remarkable how backwards we are when it comes to our pool of leadership candidates, compared to the rest of the world.


You're right on that one. Do you think we're more divided along racial or religous lines?

SmootSmack
07-16-2007, 12:04 PM
You're right on that one. Do you think we're more divided along racial or religous lines?

That's a really good question. I think when it comes to politics, probably religious lines. I'd have to think about that one

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