The legacy of 'W'?

Boy, this is a tough crowd.

Crazyhorse,

I normally refrain from writing the following kinds of posts, but I am making an exception for you as you have constantly told members that they are ignorant fools.

I knew from reading your posts that you were either a college professor or a college student. You are very preachy, condescending, self-righteous, melodramatic, and have NO sense of nuance. It is obvious you get extremely emotional when talking politics and that affects your objectivity and sense of proportionality. It came as no surprise to learn that you are an english professor. Sometimes your posts read like propoganda coming out of North Korea (i.e., "The imperialist swine have continued their violent, bloodthirsty march toward a corrupt, capitalist-pig scheme.") Please stop watching the movie "V for Vendetta," listening to Air America, and chilling with fellow professors of similar political persuasions.

I know you think you're fighting the good fight and informing those of us who just need to go through some "re-education camps." But, you're just coming off as that condescending, melodramatic, and self-righteous guy who lives in an ivory tower.

PS - I'm not responding to Crazyhorse's viewpoints (as I share some of his views), but the manner in which he expresses them.

I will try to control my language when someone has supportive things to say about Bush that I think are wrong. You're right, of course. I do think Bushites need a reality check and I'm sorry I get wild about it.

A couple of points: I supported Bush when we went to Afghanistan and initially believed him about Iraq, for which I will forever repent and think myself a moron. Also, I'm not much of a liberal, so don't deserve much praise or scorn on that score. I 'm a fiscal conservative and an opponent of abortion who doesn't believe in centralizing power to any great extent. I also have a true conservative's dislike of unnecessary involvement in foreign wars and an instinctive distrust of anyone in power, Republican or Democrat..
My negative feelings about Bush come more from my conservative-Christian side than my leftist side. I think the right has become so extreme that it is no longer conservative but fascist. Bush is even worse than Kennedy and Johnson in this regard.
Hitler, by the way, was a fascist who had many liberal sensibilities and was in a way Bush's opposite.
At any rate, teachers don't live in ivory towers these days. The forties and fifties are over.

Crazyhorse,

I normally refrain from writing the following kinds of posts, but I am making an exception for you as you have constantly told members that they are ignorant fools.

I knew from reading your posts that you were either a college professor or a college student. You are very preachy, condescending, self-righteous, melodramatic, and have NO sense of nuance. It is obvious you get extremely emotional when talking politics and that affects your objectivity and sense of proportionality. It came as no surprise to learn that you are an english professor. Sometimes your posts read like propoganda coming out of North Korea (i.e., "The imperialist swine have continued their violent, bloodthirsty march toward a corrupt, capitalist-pig scheme.") Please stop watching the movie "V for Vendetta," listening to Air America, and chilling with fellow professors of similar political persuasions.

I know you think you're fighting the good fight and informing those of us who just need to go through some "re-education camps." But, you're just coming off as that condescending, melodramatic, and self-righteous guy who lives in an ivory tower.

PS - I'm not responding to Crazyhorse's viewpoints (as I share some of his views), but the manner in which he expresses them.

I will try to control my language when someone has supportive things to say about Bush that I think are wrong. You're right, of course. I do think Bushites need a reality check and I'm sorry I get wild about it.

A couple of points: I supported Bush when we went to Afghanistan and initially believed him about Iraq, for which I will forever repent and think myself a moron. Also, I'm not much of a liberal, so don't deserve much praise or scorn on that score. I 'm a fiscal conservative and an opponent of abortion who doesn't believe in centralizing power to any great extent. I also have a true conservative's dislike of unnecessary involvement in foreign wars and an instinctive distrust of anyone in power, Republican or Democrat..
My negative feelings about Bush come more from my conservative-Christian side than my leftist side. I think the right has become so extreme that it is no longer conservative but fascist. Bush is even worse than Kennedy and Johnson in this regard.
Hitler, by the way, was a fascist who had many liberal sensibilities and was in a way Bush's opposite, as well as much more like Kennedy or Johnson. All four were/are lying psychopaths and incompetent to boot.
At any rate, teachers don't live in ivory towers these days. I have an impressive number of real life injuries. The forties and fifties are over.

I think I went to the same college as jsarno and later taught there. What an irony if I was one of his teachers.

Crazyhorse,

Sorry to be rude and I know I sounded like a jerk, I was just reacting to what I thought were rude statements. I was being hypocritical in that sense.

I think I went to the same college as jsarno and later taught there. What an irony if I was one of his teachers.

What college did you go to? (and teach at?)

The reason I ask is because your comment on Romney is interesting, yet true.

I think, initially anyway, that we're more ready for a black or female president than a Mormon. Interesting to say the least.

Forget religion... Romney is charismatic. I see us electing for charisma before thinking about his religion or politics.

Just the nature of the beast.

[quote=jsarno;329189]For as much as I don't want to turn this into a racial debate, it appears it has been. I will try harder not to even bring it up. Whenever race is brought up the quality of discussion goes dramatically down cause there is always someone that gets offended.
I hope that everyone involved and everyone voting doesn't see race, I hope they see issues.[/quot

Jsarno, this may not be the best forum to have a racial debate, but I do think because we skirt around the issue of race so often and we're so leary of offending folks that we never bring it up and we never truly take any meaningful steps forward. Typically, the issue never comes up unless there's an O.J. Simpson case or a Rodney King type incident, or more recently Imus. But by then, usually feelings and emotions are so inflamed and raw it's too late to discuss anything in a civil manner, it's more venting, accusing, and resentment at that point.

We need to talk about race, and let it get emotional so long as people understand on the front let's engage not enrage. In all honesty, it's nearly impossible to have a full, I mean a truly full discussion about politics and even religion without the subject of race being included.

I'll get off this soapbox for now, but just to reiterate I'm not suggesting that we open this thread or any other thread to the discussion of race. I think it's one of those things that should be discussed and talked about in person or in a group forum. I'm not too sure that the internet is entirely condusive to that.

For as much as I don't want to turn this into a racial debate, it appears it has been. I will try harder not to even bring it up. Whenever race is brought up the quality of discussion goes dramatically down cause there is always someone that gets offended.
I hope that everyone involved and everyone voting doesn't see race, I hope they see issues.

Jsarno, this may not be the best forum to have a racial debate, but I do think because we skirt around the issue of race so often and we're so leary of offending folks that we never bring it up and we never truly take any meaningful steps forward. Typically, the issue never comes up unless there's an O.J. Simpson case or a Rodney King type incident, or more recently Imus. But by then, usually feelings and emotions are so inflamed and raw it's too late to discuss anything in a civil manner, it's more venting, accusing, and resentment at that point.

We need to talk about race, and let it get emotional so long as people understand on the front let's engage not enrage. In all honesty, it's nearly impossible to have a full, I mean a truly full discussion about politics and even religion without the subject of race being included.

I'll get off this soapbox for now, but just to reiterate I'm not suggesting that we open this thread or any other thread to the discussion of race. I think it's one of those things that should be discussed and talked about in person or in a group forum. I'm not too sure that the internet is entirely condusive to that.

Great post. I thought about posting a thread not to long ago about the "N" word, but saw how other threads were going at the time and decided not too. I'm sure it's been discussed in detail during the Imus incident, but I felt it's a social issue that is helped through dialogue.

What I love about warpath is that we've got a pretty open minded core group that usually tends to guide the conversation in a productive manner. No one tolerates bigotry, and that's a damn rare thing to find.

Forget religion... Romney is charismatic. I see us electing for charisma before thinking about his religion or politics.

Just the nature of the beast.


Romney is charismatic? I suppose it depends on how you see him. I see him as disingenuous and he kinda reminds me of John Kerry. I pay very close attention to a candidates body language and facial expressions, and I really don't like that of Romney and Hilary.

Checkout this great article (http://www.bulldogreporter.com/dailydog/issues/1_1/dailydog_barks_bites/7734-1.html) on leading presidential candidates and what their body language tells us.

Great post. I thought about posting a thread not to long ago about the "N" word, but saw how other threads were going at the time and decided not too. I'm sure it's been discussed in detail during the Imus incident, but I felt it's a social issue that is helped through dialogue.

What I love about warpath is that we've got a pretty open minded core group that usually tends to guide the conversation in a productive manner. No one tolerates bigotry, and that's a damn rare thing to find.

You know..- and I don't want to open this can of worms - the 'N' word is far more complicated than the actual word itself, and it's not as black and white as people try to handle it, approach it or discuss it. I'm not the 'N' word expert, by any means, but I've been around the block a few times. Sometimes it's about context, sometimes it's about ignorance, and sometimes it's actually is about race and only race. In fact most of the time it is, but it's something that needs to be discussed, especially if you have children.