SmootSmack
11-14-2011, 01:10 PM
I think the notion that Mike isn't involved at all in the offense is flawed. He is very involved, but it's Kyle's offense to run. And it will run just fine with a competent and consistent QB. Beck is neither, Grossman is just one of the two.
Selecting a QB (at least one) is of utmost importance. Doesn't necessarily mean a first rounder. They could go the Bengals 2011 draft route.
mlmpetert
11-14-2011, 01:10 PM
Let's review the bidding here:
Jake Plummer improved under Shanahan's tutelage AND THEN he retired from football completely saying that playing QB for Shanahan was a nightmare because Shanahan demanded perfection. Rather than take millions of dollars to finish out his contract, Plummer retired because Shanahan drove him nuts.
The question is this:
Did he win "with" those QBs or did he win "because he had" those QBs?
I thought Jake retired because he was traded to TB since Gruden can never have enough QBs. I remember Plummer being good but he was one of those guys that would throw a bunch of interceptions every now and then. Once Cutler got drafted Plummer's time in Devner was over, as Mike was keeping Cutler on the sidelines until he was ready.
I will say with regards to your question, i agree with you in that he won with those QBs. But the situation here is entirely different and not just because we dont have a decent QB; this isnt Mikes offense, its Kyles. So if we win it will be with Mike but because of Kyle and whoever the QB is, just like we are losing now with Mike because of Kyle and Grossman and Beck. Although the longer Mike stands on the sidelines and doesnt intervene our losing is becoming "because of Mike".
skinsfan69
11-14-2011, 01:15 PM
More smack needs to go to MS and KS. Do either of these clowns know how to have the team run a hurry up offense? I just don't get it. Really starting to lose all faith in MS.
skinsfan69
11-14-2011, 01:19 PM
Let's review the bidding here:
Joe Montana had been a QB in the NFL of no small accomplishment for a decade before he met Mike Shanahan.
Steve Young had been in the USFL and the NFL for more than 5 years before he met Mike Shanahan.
John Elway had been in the NFL for more than a decade - - and had gone to the Super Bowl with only average talent around him - - before he met Mike Shanahan.
Jake Plummer improved under Shanahan's tutelage AND THEN he retired from football completely saying that playing QB for Shanahan was a nightmare because Shanahan demanded perfection. Rather than take millions of dollars to finish out his contract, Plummer retired because Shanahan drove him nuts.
Jay Cutler played just well enough in Denver under Shanahan to miss the playoffs a few years and get Shahanan fired.
The question is this:
Did he win "with" those QBs or did he win "because he had" those QBs?
That was the past. What's the guy done the last 5-6 years?
SmootSmack
11-14-2011, 01:20 PM
Let's review the bidding here:
Joe Montana had been a QB in the NFL of no small accomplishment for a decade before he met Mike Shanahan.
Steve Young had been in the USFL and the NFL for more than 5 years before he met Mike Shanahan.
John Elway had been in the NFL for more than a decade - - and had gone to the Super Bowl with only average talent around him - - before he met Mike Shanahan.
Jake Plummer improved under Shanahan's tutelage AND THEN he retired from football completely saying that playing QB for Shanahan was a nightmare because Shanahan demanded perfection. Rather than take millions of dollars to finish out his contract, Plummer retired because Shanahan drove him nuts.
Jay Cutler played just well enough in Denver under Shanahan to miss the playoffs a few years and get Shahanan fired.
The question is this:
Did he win "with" those QBs or did he win "because he had" those QBs?
As mentioned you're mistaken about Plummer's retirement...and you're also wrong about Elway
Beemnseven
11-14-2011, 01:20 PM
More smack needs to go to MS and KS. Do either of these clowns know how to have the team run a hurry up offense? I just don't get it. Really starting to lose all faith in MS.
A hurry up offense? You want us to go 3 and out quicker and provide even less of a breather for the D?
There isn't a coach alive today you'd have faith in with the time so far allowed to rebuild this team.
mlmpetert
11-14-2011, 01:20 PM
I think the notion that Mike isn't involved at all in the offense is flawed. He is very involved, but it's Kyle's offense to run. And it will run just fine with a competent and consistent QB. Beck is neither, Grossman is just one of the two.
Selecting a QB (at least one) is of utmost importance. Doesn't necessarily mean a first rounder. They could go the Bengals 2011 draft route.
But thats true with any offense.
I know youre a big Kyle Shanahan fan, but how would you rank his play calling and game planning? I guess i dont really know what you see in him.
SouperMeister
11-14-2011, 01:26 PM
But thats true with any offense.
I know youre a big Kyle Shanahan fan, but how would you rank his play calling and game planning? I guess i dont really know what you see in him.Papa John's should affectionately rename their Monday special "The Kyle" - a plain cheese pizza since they almost never have to throw in free toppings on account of our no-show offense.
GTripp0012
11-14-2011, 01:27 PM
It's Monday, and I'm looking to stir the pot a little bit. Does anyone want to present the argument for, "the Skins are moving in the right direction?" What is this being based on?
GTripp0012
11-14-2011, 01:29 PM
A hurry up offense? You want us to go 3 and out quicker and provide even less of a breather for the D?
There isn't a coach alive today you'd have faith in with the time so far allowed to rebuild this team.Jim Schwartz.