Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Dolphins)

This is definitely true for high picks. But we still could have taken a developmental prospect lower.

And, although the positive value of what we actually did in the draft is clear, part of me still wonders how things might be different now and into the future if we had taken Ponder instead. Certainly he was overvalued pick-wise in the moment by the Vikes, but if he turns out to be a really good one, he'll end up being worth their 12th - or our 10th - pick.

I'm not sure Ponder was overvalued, many people expected him to go top 15. But what's kind of not discussed is that the Redskins didn't trade down with the intent of passing on Ponder. They knew the Jaguars liked Gabbert so they passed on him by trading down (and with Jacksonville), but they took a gamble that maybe, just maybe, Ponder would fall to them and they could add picks and get Ponder.

I'm not saying Ponder was the choice over Kerrigan had both been there at 16, that I don't know. But they didn't trade down with the intent of adding Kerrigan. They traded down with the intent of adding picks.

They knew the only team that might take Ponder between 10 and 16 was the Vikings. And in fact the Vikings were seriously considering Kerrigan.

Of course, all this would have been moot had Locker been there at 10.

Which is kinda the point I'm making. I think the QB they would have wanted was not available so they took BPA at a position of need. I can't blame them for that. Under Cerrato we would have seen BPA overall when in reality you do that when your team is pretty much set not when you have glaring holes all over the place.

and again your right there is no formula some teams pick a QB and develope a team around him, some teams get the supporting cast set then go out and pick a QB who will have support to help him on the field.
The problem with Cerrato was not really BPA, it was his grading system of prospects and willingness to cough up picks in trades. Malcolm Kelly and Thomas were picked to address a need for a threat across Moss.
He was even going to trade up one spot to take Orakpo, which shows how little he valued holding onto picks.

More likely than not, we would not have picked at all in the 2nd or 3rd round with him at the helm. He'd probably do another Jason Taylor trade and we ultimately get close to NOTHING.

I'm not sure Ponder was overvalued, many people expected him to go top 15. But what's kind of not discussed is that the Redskins didn't trade down with the intent of passing on Ponder. They knew the Jaguars liked Gabbert so they passed on him by trading down (and with Jacksonville), but they took a gamble that maybe, just maybe, Ponder would fall to them and they could add picks and get Ponder.

I'm not saying Ponder was the choice over Kerrigan had both been there at 16, that I don't know. But they didn't trade down with the intent of adding Kerrigan. They traded down with the intent of adding picks.

They knew the only team that might take Ponder between 10 and 16 was the Vikings. And in fact the Vikings were seriously considering Kerrigan.

Of course, all this would have been moot had Locker been there at 10.


and quite honestly maybe the coaching staff didn't like Ponder as much as we fans did. Maybe Ponder was not even on their radar because maybe they didn't feel he fit the scheme. Just saying.

I don't see how the playing field for MS is more difficult than what Gibbs walked into after Spurrier. Gibbs made the playoffs in 2 of 4 years. Gibbs' teams rose to the occassion late in the season with 4 & 5 game win streaks to make those playoff runs.

Gibbs' big mistakes during his tenure were relying too much on personnel decisons from Al Saunders (ARE) and Greg Williams (Arch) and that he over-valued Campbell. But Gibbs did a HoF job turning the franchise around from where it was. I'll always wonder what could've been if the ST tragedy hadn't happened.

We made some big trades and FA pickups that helped us in those runs. Moss, Portis, Brunell came in trades. Marcus Washington, Springs, etc came in FA. Our trades have flopped and the FA pickings are slimmer or not worth taking.

The problem with Cerrato was not really BPA, it was his grading system of prospects and willingness to cough up picks in trades. Malcolm Kelly and Thomas were picked to address a need for a threat across Moss.
He was even going to trade up one spot to take Orakpo, which shows how little he valued holding onto picks.

More likely than not, we would not have picked at all in the 2nd or 3rd round with him at the helm. He'd probably do another Jason Taylor trade and we ultimately get close to NOTHING.

Your right but a ton of other teams passed on them and we took them. I wonder why? Your right I think it was their grading system.

I'm not sure Ponder was overvalued, many people expected him to go top 15. But what's kind of not discussed is that the Redskins didn't trade down with the intent of passing on Ponder. They knew the Jaguars liked Gabbert so they passed on him by trading down (and with Jacksonville), but they took a gamble that maybe, just maybe, Ponder would fall to them and they could add picks and get Ponder.

I'm not saying Ponder was the choice over Kerrigan had both been there at 16, that I don't know. But they didn't trade down with the intent of adding Kerrigan. They traded down with the intent of adding picks.

They knew the only team that might take Ponder between 10 and 16 was the Vikings. And in fact the Vikings were seriously considering Kerrigan.

Of course, all this would have been moot had Locker been there at 10.meh on the guys in the 2011 draft. Much higher caliber talent this year. Luck, Barkley, Jones, RG3 (I hope he comes out) and some good mid-round development QBs. CB looks to be a strong position this year too.

and quite honestly maybe the coaching staff didn't like Ponder as much as we fans did. Maybe Ponder was not even on their radar because maybe they didn't feel he fit the scheme. Just saying.

He definitely was. They heavily scouted him all year. But not high enough on him to take him at 10

meh on the guys in the 2011 draft. Much higher caliber talent this year. Luck, Barkley, Jones, RG3 (I hope he comes out) and some good mid-round development QBs. CB looks to be a strong position this year too.

Well, I do believe if they are top 5 and if someone other than the Colts have the 1st pick we'll make a big push for Luck. What we'll offer I don't know

I've heard they're not interested in Barkley, but I can't see why not

No idea on Jones

RG3 isn't expected to come out, but if he does the interest is high

Haven't heard they're interested in Kellen Moore, or in others words, I've heard they are not (again, I don't know why not)

Don't know about guys like Foles, Lindley and Cousins

Interest in Tannehill and Harnish

That's all I got

meh on the guys in the 2011 draft. Much higher caliber talent this year. Luck, Barkley, Jones, RG3 (I hope he comes out) and some good mid-round development QBs. CB looks to be a strong position this year too.

Interior OL got some ballers in there too for the draft. like to see us spend a pick there

and quite honestly maybe the coaching staff didn't like Ponder as much as we fans did. Maybe Ponder was not even on their radar because maybe they didn't feel he fit the scheme. Just saying.

Out of that group last year, I liked Ponder and Dalton the most. I was hoping they'd grab either one of those two with our pick in the 2nd round.