The everything Gruden thread

I hear ya. But if we are reaching on your example like that...then thats a major problem where the GM and scouts are not on the same page.

Its time for Bruce to leave the personel game. He needs to check out and go to team Pres. Time to bring in a guy who not afraid to tell Snyder and his Lacky Posse how to run an organization

We did that with Shanahan and it didn't work.

If he holds the fort, stop the bleeding, anything. Beat Dallas and the Giants then he deserves another year, but if he keeps making desperate moves then he has to go. But to be fair he was set up to fail. He had to keep Haz and Mc Vay.

Is this the criteria we're going off of for dismantling an entire coaching staff?

I dont get the Gruden hate already.
Hes not even done with his first season.
WTF....I bet you guys walk out of a movie after the first 15 minutes.
Grudens beginning is very similar to Joe Gibbs......

Since when is 3-9 equal to 8-8?

Face it, I've been saying it for a while, but the rest of you guys are just starting to realize it, Gruden is a garbage coach, he is the main problem with this team right now

Is this the criteria we're going off of for dismantling an entire coaching staff?

Jepp. If you beat those two and go 4-12 for 20 years, your job is save - because you´ve beaten those two.

That is great and all but Snyder would have to hire this guy. Don't know if he wants someone like that around.

Say the magic word and win the debate.

I hear ya. But if we are reaching on your example like that...then thats a major problem where the GM and scouts are not on the same page.

Its time for Bruce to leave the personel game. He needs to check out and go to team Pres. Time to bring in a guy who not afraid to tell Snyder and his Lacky Posse how to run an organization

I honestly think it's more about the constant turnover up top that makes it harder for scouts to do their job

What is AJ Smith's role? He's got a successful past of building a team. Does he have a say in all of this?

Before even thinking of replacing Gruden I would hope that higher management will wait to see if the team will play hard for him the rest of the way. To me, that's a key factor in allowing him to continue as HC.

As for the ability of the players, some of that can be addressed with personnel changes in the offseason but right now Gruden needs to get a solid team effort out of the current players the rest of the way.

If he does, I would hope that he will have earned another season as HC. If he doesn't, it wouldn't bother me in the least if he were to be fired.

What is AJ Smith's role? He's got a successful past of building a team. Does he have a say in all of this?

Think he's relatively heavily involved in the draft process and "internal evaluations" whatever that means

As for Jay Gruden, I don't have the stats to back it up but I think that rookie coaches who struggle early on but turn it around usually do it for the next team they coach

I honestly think it's more about the constant turnover up top that makes it harder for scouts to do their job

Well I think the combo up top isnt working at all.

Who was responsible for Haslett staying? Thats a person thats needs to go