trump Inpeachment...............

No , it's fact ,not an "alternative fact" that trump supporters accept.

For the 1,000th time, I am NOT a Trump supporter.

Your "facts" like your chart of where news sources fall politically is based on OPINION. Opinions or theories are not FACTS. The "fact" that the Washington Post has an article about an LGBQT athlete no one ever heard of almost every Sunday in their sports page and is constantly still bringing up Colin Kaepernick speaks loudly of how far left they are.

They are based algorithims dude and not your subjective opinion of Colin and LGBTQ+ articles

Your "facts" like your chart of where news sources fall politically is based on OPINION. Opinions or theories are not FACTS. The "fact" that the Washington Post has an article about an LGBQT athlete no one ever heard of almost every Sunday in their sports page and is constantly still bringing up Colin Kaepernick speaks loudly of how far left they are.


Well, I put more stock in the research and data involved with putting together those charts than your Joe Schmoe opinion. Let me know when you can back up your opinion with something meaningful.



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Well, I put more stock in the research and data involved with putting together those charts than your Joe Schmoe opinion. Let me know when you can back up your opinion with something meaningful.



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I could care less what you think.

I could care less what you think.

Your post's say different.

Trump's impeachment comes off like a vote of no confidence like that used in European parliaments. But we don't have a mechanism like that so the pols are trying to use impeachment as a stand in. It won't achieve their desired results -Trump's removal- but as G1 said it tarnishes his legacy for historical value.

As long as the country sits at a near 50 50 split, and we get candidates like HC and Trump, we will see more of this from both sides. And both sides media heads will scream why the current case is different from the last one.

I hope everyone will be able to tell their grandchildren what the US was like when we stood united in common purposes. It seems like a fairy tale even now.



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I'm not sure the Debating With the Enemy forum is successful any longer. Not much intelligence being put forth around here, just a bunch of firing shots. There was a time where I could learn things from reading through these posts but those days are fewer and far between, now.

I continue to be disappointed by our leadership. From all facts gathered from available reporting, and from the behavior of the White House as they sought to cover the tracks following Trump's phone calls with Ukraine, it seems fairly clear that Trump abused his power, using foreign policy to influence foreign governments into taking action to influence a domestic election. Whether Biden is actually guilty of anything is neither here nor there, the President used the State's power to try to influence Ukraine. It's an impeachable offense.

What's so disappointing about Congress is McConnell, and other Senators, saying they're not impartial jurors in this process. McConnell said 'I'm not an impartial juror, this is a political process.' Yet he literally took an oath when he took office in the Senate that reads verbatim:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

And despite swearing that he will uphold the Constitution, which clearly lays out that Senators are to act as impartial jurors during an impeachment adjudication, he says he's not an impartial juror.

It's a microcosm of how polarized and partisan this nation has become. Set aside all duty to the country in the name of party. It's incredibly disappointing.

That all said, Pelosi should know that these impeachment proceedings are never going to result in the necessary 2/3rds vote in the Senate to actually remove Trump from office, and she should know that Trump's media machine will spin the impeachment proceedings as a 'witch hunt', painting Trump as the victim while he's trying to stand up for the everyman in America.

We've got the President breaking laws, we've got the Senate majority leader abandoning his oath of office, and we've got ineptitude at the helm of the other party. It's hard to find a reason to go to the polls to vote in November 2020.

Trump's impeachment comes off like a vote of no confidence like that used in European parliaments. But we don't have a mechanism like that so the pols are trying to use impeachment as a stand in. It won't achieve their desired results -Trump's removal- but as G1 said it tarnishes his legacy for historical value.

As long as the country sits at a near 50 50 split, and we get candidates like HC and Trump, we will see more of this from both sides. And both sides media heads will scream why the current case is different from the last one.

I hope everyone will be able to tell their grandchildren what the US was like when we stood united in common purposes. It seems like a fairy tale even now.



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I can't even remember what that was like. My childhood was Clinton being impeached for lying about a blowjob. The closest we came was being united against terrorists after 9/11, but that has faded thanks to the useless war we're still fighting in Afghanistan.

Speaking of I find it incredible how the impeachment has basically covered up the report that just came out detailing the amazingly pervasive corruption in Afghanistan. Every American should be united in how angry they are that we've spent almost a trillion dollars in Afghanistan with nothing to show for it.

Also +1 on another fantastic post Schneed. I agree in that even if Trump loses the White House in 2020, this country is doomed to continue heading down this path.

Also Chico, I agree. Two of the most prudent actions we can take would be eliminating lobbyist influence on Congress and term limits. I think the one thing we could all agree on is term limits for Congress. The problem is Congress has no incentive to vote for term limits on themselves.

I could care less what you think.


Thanks for proving my point



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I'm not sure the Debating With the Enemy forum is successful any longer. Not much intelligence being put forth around here, just a bunch of firing shots. There was a time where I could learn things from reading through these posts but those days are fewer and far between, now.

I continue to be disappointed by our leadership. From all facts gathered from available reporting, and from the behavior of the White House as they sought to cover the tracks following Trump's phone calls with Ukraine, it seems fairly clear that Trump abused his power, using foreign policy to influence foreign governments into taking action to influence a domestic election. Whether Biden is actually guilty of anything is neither here nor there, the President used the State's power to try to influence Ukraine. It's an impeachable offense.

What's so disappointing about Congress is McConnell, and other Senators, saying they're not impartial jurors in this process. McConnell said 'I'm not an impartial juror, this is a political process.' Yet he literally took an oath when he took office in the Senate that reads verbatim:



And despite swearing that he will uphold the Constitution, which clearly lays out that Senators are to act as impartial jurors during an impeachment adjudication, he says he's not an impartial juror.

It's a microcosm of how polarized and partisan this nation has become. Set aside all duty to the country in the name of party. It's incredibly disappointing.

That all said, Pelosi should know that these impeachment proceedings are never going to result in the necessary 2/3rds vote in the Senate to actually remove Trump from office, and she should know that Trump's media machine will spin the impeachment proceedings as a 'witch hunt', painting Trump as the victim while he's trying to stand up for the everyman in America.

We've got the President breaking laws, we've got the Senate majority leader abandoning his oath of office, and we've got ineptitude at the helm of the other party. It's hard to find a reason to go to the polls to vote in November 2020.

You get that cool sticker that says "I Voted"

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