NC_Skins
01-08-2020, 09:05 AM
Pretty good revisionist history to say they hadn't done shit to us. Gotta get some of what you got.
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I said for years since the Iran treaty. Try reading it all, and not selectively. That would be a good start.
NC_Skins
01-08-2020, 09:07 AM
So insulting people that disagree with you and being an asshole is being a critical thinker? No one that wants to have an actual conversation bases their whole premise around being a condiscinding piece of shit. Nothing you said involved wanting to have a discussion using critical thinking. Hell, you think sending pallets of money to a world wide supporter of terrorism is a milestone. That comment was critically fucking stupid. 10 yard penalty.
Call Trump soulless then mock using the Lord's name in vain?
Your whole post is a fucking joke.
I have to use insults because facts and logic don't make it with Trumpsters. Barbaric communication and 3rd grade logic is what you all seem to respond to.
Like I said, if you're still supporting this piece of shit after 3 years, it's a YOU problem.
CRedskinsRule
01-08-2020, 09:20 AM
I said for years since the Iran treaty. Try reading it all, and not selectively. That would be a good start.I was talking about since the Iran treaty or do you discount their role in iraq, syria and the extinct caliphate?
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Chico23231
01-08-2020, 10:11 AM
The Iran Deal wasn't a good one but did in the short term stop the nuclear program.
First, lets establish the Iranian cause to pursue Nuclear aspirations is for weapons and not their so-called energy reason. Iran has ALWAYS stated they do not want to pursue a nuclear weapon, that is a LIE. So you are negotiating with a LIE to begin with...not good.
The deal overlooked ballistic missile...AKA THE WEAPONS delivery system of a nuclear weapon. Lets think real hard: Stop developing Nuclear aspiration for the short term while investing in Ballistic Missile technology which they tested WHICH VIOLATED UN resolutions IMMEDIATELY after the nuclear agreement:
March 9, 2016: Iran test launches two different variations of the Qadr medium-range ballistic missile.
March 14, 2016: U.S. Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power says she raised Iran's ballistic missile tests at a Security Council meeting, saying that the tests are inconsistent with UN Security Council Resolution 2231.
March 15, 2016: Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif defends Iran's missile launches saying that the missiles are permissible under UN Security Council Resolution 2231 because the missiles are not designed to be capable of carrying nuclear warheads.
Also the Sunset Clauses allowed for Iran to begin a nuclear aspirations immediately. Iran was already planning for this as they was documents were leaked
July 18, 2016: Iran's research and development plan for advanced centrifuge machines, leaked to the AP, is reported on in the press.
July 29, 2016: In a statement, the IAEA notes it sent a letter to Iran denying it was the source of leaked information about Iranian plans for phasing in advanced centrifuges in 2027.
The sunset provision list 15 years...that's a lie, it allowed for research just after 10 years.
Also, the money given to the Iranian in the deal allowed them to fund their proxies specifically in Yemen were they started and continue to fight a civil war. Also fund Hezbollah (terrorists) operations throughout the region specifically in Lebanon against US troops and allies in the Syrian conflict as well as operations against Israel. US intelligence has followed the money.
Also, lets not turn a blind eye to Iraq and how the Obama administration completed fucked up and let Iran come in and take over. Lets look at the NYT article which documents the certified morons in the Obama Administration during this time period. This article is from November:
The Iran Cables: Secret Documents Show How Tehran Wields Power in Iraq
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/18/world/middleeast/iran-iraq-spy-cables.html
The Iran deal was a fuck up, big time...we can easily point to what has happened since
Chico23231
01-08-2020, 10:32 AM
When it comes to this situation, Iran killed a US contractor and attacked a US Embassy just in the last couple weeks...Souliman killing is a justified response.
I hope after this Iranian attack...which looks to be symbolic not which looked to do more damage than loss of life...we should talk tough, but de-escalation when it comes to aggressive military operations. Nobody wants a full fledge military operation...
NC_Skins
01-08-2020, 12:05 PM
I was talking about since the Iran treaty or do you discount their role in iraq, syria and the extinct caliphate?
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We haven't had any Iranian attacks (against us) for years. You do realize that Iran was fighting against ISIS, not supporting them. They are allies with Syria, who were/are fighting ISIS. In fact, Iran has had more to do with ISIS being obliterated than we are.
NC_Skins
01-08-2020, 12:12 PM
When it comes to this situation, Iran killed a US contractor and attacked a US Embassy just in the last couple weeks...Souliman killing is a justified response.
I hope after this Iranian attack...which looks to be symbolic not which looked to do more damage than loss of life...we should talk tough, but de-escalation when it comes to aggressive military operations. Nobody wants a full fledge military operation...
Just FYI. This attack was planned prior to the embassy attack.
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That said, Soleimani's death was justified long before any of those two events. The problem is the guy is a ranking official of a state. Huge consequences come from those kinds of actions. Putin is a worse terrorist and madman than Soleimani ever was but imagine assassinating him.
NC_Skins
01-08-2020, 12:16 PM
The Iran Cables: Secret Documents Show How Tehran Wields Power in Iraq
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/18/world/middleeast/iran-iraq-spy-cables.html
The Iran deal was a fuck up, big time...we can easily point to what has happened since
So NYT is legit news source when it backs up a claim or makes Clinton/Obama look bad, but a fake news outlet when it's publishing wrong doings of Trump?
The Iran deal was agreed upon by 6 countries looking to avoid conflict. It wasn't perfect, but the alternate was worse. War.
NC_Skins
01-08-2020, 12:31 PM
A good timeline of the events since Trump pulled out of the Iran deal.
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/01/03/us-iran-conflict-since-nuclear-deal/2803223001/
Notice he went against advice from the Pentagon. A man who's never been in the military or knows shit about it that doesn't listen to those who do.
Chico23231
01-08-2020, 01:14 PM
S10 was right, Iran were a bunch of pussies in their response, they backed down....And now there is questions now that Iran might have accidently shot down the Ukraine passenger plane
These fuckin Iranians, what a bunch of idiots...