trump Inpeachment...............

One final question before I'm done with this forever. This applies to anyone willing to speak in Trump's defense.

Do you believe the President has authority to do anything he wants?

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You broke me Chico.

For the last time.

A sitting president cannot be indicted. That's straight from the Mueller report, and also backed up by Attorney General Barr.

"The only tool is impeachment."

FFS.

Due process? Trump was happily invited to testify in his own defense. Produce documents, or witnesses, in his own defense. He did none of the above, instead relying on Senators much smarter than himself to provide his defense. And they did. Congratulations.

nevermind...

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You broke me Chico.

For the last time.

A sitting president cannot be indicted. That's straight from the Mueller report, and also backed up by Attorney General Barr.

"The only tool is impeachment."

FFS.

Due process? Trump was happily invited to testify in his own defense. Produce documents, or witnesses, in his own defense. He did none of the above, instead relying on Senators much smarter than himself to provide his defense. And they did. Congratulations.

Mooby, it is a false allegation to say the only tool is impeachment. If that were the case it would have been used more than 4 times in our country's history. AND in 1 of those cases(Andrew Jackson), the Congress wrote into the law that violating the statute was a high misdemeanor (meaning impeachable), and they still didn't remove him from office. And this was after a civil war, and after the Senate passed the statute in question by a 2/3rd vote. Meaning enough Senator's passed the legislation that the President violated to guarantee his removal. The President still broke the statute, and the removal failed because not 1 of the Senators from the President's party voted against him even though they voted for the Tenure Act.

Clearly there are dozens of other remedies, including going through the full steps at the House level.

One final question before I'm done with this forever. This applies to anyone willing to speak in Trump's defense.

Do you believe the President has authority to do anything he wants?

Of course not, and the argument by Derschowitz was poorly made, and then twisted to sound crazy.

The fact is that political gain is part of nearly every calculus. Pelosi bringing the Impeachment was a political calculus, as was fast forwarding the impeachment process to the Senate to make the Republicans the ones who didn't want witnesses.

But, when Pres Obama says I have a pen and a phone, and Dems get outraged by Republicans who took offense( like me) suddenly get offended by a President saying I have the authority to do what I want under Article 2. Well it's pot meet kettle time.

I believe that the House should have done it right, and if bribery, or other offenses were proved not by hearsay, or NYT leaks, but by testimony and documents, which obviously the court would have said turn over, then Trump should have resigned. If the Dems keep the House in 2020, I fully expect a rehash of all of this, but this time doing it right. At that point the voter choice argument is gone, and they have 4 more years to truly prove their case.

One last thing, IF the House had gotten the Courts to say turn over the [whatever] and after all appeals were exhausted and failed and Trump refused, that would be obstruction with cause for impeachment and removal.

One final question before I'm done with this forever. This applies to anyone willing to speak in Trump's defense.

Do you believe the President has authority to do anything he wants?

Mooby, his presidency has been the ultimate reminder the office CANNOT do everything it wants. He wants the interest rates reduced...he cant, he wants funding for a wall, he cant...he tries to yank press pass away, he cant...etc. I had zero clue just how many folks listen in on his phone calls to foreign leaders...that was eye opening.

The checks in the government, the law and the constitution really damper the trump is a dictator talk. Its simply not factual.

36 pages to get back to exactly the same spot. Everyone that believes that Trump should be impeached still thinks that and everyone that believes that the house process/evidence/actual impeachment articles were no where near strong enough still thinks that.

Let's close this down and open an actual policies discussion thread. That's my $0.02.

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Cred, you and Chico might not believe a President has the power to do whatever he wants, but I think our president disagrees with you on that (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl_gO3uOds8).

Cred, you and Chico might not believe a President has the power to do whatever he wants, but I think our president disagrees with you on that (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl_gO3uOds8).Good job accepting media spin. He gave context in one of the clips, and he was talking about firing executive branch staff. Chico pointed out several things that contradict the concept of a monarch or a dictator.

You know presidents have been called the most powerful man in the world as long as i have been alive yet that hasn't made a one of them a dictator and Trump isn't either.

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36 pages to get back to exactly the same spot. Everyone that believes that Trump should be impeached still thinks that and everyone that believes that the house process/evidence/actual impeachment articles were no where near strong enough still thinks that.

Let's close this down and open an actual policies discussion thread. That's my $0.02.

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Immigration - I think this is something 80% of the country could agree on. With the 10% extreme left and 10% extreme right making up the rest.

Asylum claims - i think they should be made to a country that the persons origin borders. So Guatemala seekers would have to file in Mexico. I also think they should not be able to enter the US, claim asylum, given a future court date and then allowed into the US.

Dreamers - make the exiting dreamers (without a felony) permanent. Then look into a program in which future dreamers can be brought in.

Bans on specific countries - I dont like that Trump recently placed Nigeria on a ban list. I know a lot of Nigerian families and Ethiopian and they are all close tight nit families who emphasize education. Nigeria is the tech hub of Africa. I think screening needs to be done on a per person basis.

Illegals - not too comfort using that word but I think they should be able to get drivers license, kids go to public school and a parent work requirement should be in place for receiving WIC.

Medicaid for illegals is tough one for me bc I dont want people not going to the doctor for preventitive care. If someone without insurance shows up to a hospital, they get treated anyway then the hospital has to write it off. Homeless people and meth/druggies also treat hospitals like its a walk in clinic. When I had to go to a San Diego ER on sunday morning it was packed with people coming off drugs there for "complaints" but really just to get drugs to help them come down.

How do you balance a lot of non-emergency visits vs actual emergencies?

Wall - Im fine with it and I think a lot of people would be to but the way Trump goes about it is so off-putting. Let border patrol decide where to put barriers but dont make it a partisan campaign issue.

Detainers and deportation - if an illegal is convicted of a felony or a misdemeanor while already on probation for another misdemeanor .. i think the Courts should notify ICE, ICE puts a detainer and that person is deported.

One final question before I'm done with this forever. This applies to anyone willing to speak in Trump's defense.

Do you believe the President has authority to do anything he wants?

https://apnews.com/article/0a6f2a348a6e43f27d5e1dc486027860

I said no in this thread before because the first set of impeachment articles were bogus politics.

Inciting riots is something that the President does not have authority to do. Count me as in favor of these articles of impeachment. ( still not the first set)