Brunell Starting

i have one question, i'm not getting into the middle of this or anything, but here goes.

For all you Ramsey lovers out there, please answer this:

If, and if, we beat Dallas this Monday Night what will you think about the situation between Ramsey and Brunell? Will you still think Ramsey got shafted, or will you say Brunell is the better option?

I think the issue is more loyalty and being able to see if ramsey could do anything with the upside he may still have... brunell is clearly on the downside of his career and may not even be capable of managing games, we'll have to wait and see.

I just don't see why gibbs spent 7 months promoting ramsey every chance he got and naming him the unquestioned starter when he didn't have to. Yet he seems so insasnely loyal to brunell and goes to press conferences ssaying he fights his guts out etc.

brunell might be the best choice for now, but this whole QB situation has been handled very poorly.

I don't care if Gibbs was loyal or not in todays NFL no team is loyal to any player and few players are loyal to teams. Players go where they can get money and teams will dump players who have been the cornerstone of there team because of money. Gibbs learned in the offseason when Pierce and Smoot left that you can't pay everyone and players are not loyal enough to stay. Loyalty will lose you games he was loyal last year to Brunell and it was a mistake. Gibbs rarly makes mistakes twice he will not be to loyal to someone he does not see performing in a way to benifit the team. I mean one fumble and Brown was not only benched but was cut. I liked Ramsey I bought my girl a ramsey jersey. I wanna win and I think with our defense and running game Brunnell if healthy will be smart and not force balls. Ramsey trusted his ability to much at times. But hopefully we will all see Gibbs is right cause that means we are winning.

Good post, Mattdouthat! Welcome to the board.

I don't care if Gibbs was loyal or not in todays NFL no team is loyal to any player and few players are loyal to teams. Players go where they can get money and teams will dump players who have been the cornerstone of there team because of money. Gibbs learned in the offseason when Pierce and Smoot left that you can't pay everyone and players are not loyal enough to stay. Loyalty will lose you games he was loyal last year to Brunell and it was a mistake. Gibbs rarly makes mistakes twice he will not be to loyal to someone he does not see performing in a way to benifit the team. I mean one fumble and Brown was not only benched but was cut. I liked Ramsey I bought my girl a ramsey jersey. I wanna win and I think with our defense and running game Brunnell if healthy will be smart and not force balls. Ramsey trusted his ability to much at times. But hopefully we will all see Gibbs is right cause that means we are winning.

but gibbs is known for being honest, why couldn't he just say its an open competition or whatever? I don't see why he couldn't just do something as simple as that, cause it was obvious who he wanted.

brunell has probably played better, but it wouldn't have been hard to avoid a lot of this.

Well i think he knew Ramsey was not very confident and he wanted him to feel reassured. He said Ramsey would start but he also said he is in business of winning games said this many times. And he will do whatever is necessary in his mind to take us back to the top but we will see if it works

Loyalty will lose you games he was loyal last year to Brunell and it was a mistake. Gibbs rarly makes mistakes twice...

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He did not stick with Ramsey cause he keeps turning ball over. If Brunnel does the same I believe he will pull him and we will see Cambell. If Portis starts fumbling you will see Betts starting. Just ask Antonio Brown how serious Gibbs is this year about eliminating turnovers

He did not stick with Ramsey cause he keeps turning ball over. If Brunnel does the same I believe he will pull him and we will see Cambell. If Portis starts fumbling you will see Betts starting. Just ask Antonio Brown how serious Gibbs is this year about eliminating turnovers

brunell had 9 turnovers in 9 games last year though... and portis fumbled a ton and gibbs kept him in too.

Here's the bottom line. We all wanted to see Ramsey last year after we witnessed Brunell throwing weak ducks all over the field. Once Ramsey came in what did he do??? Not much. As much as myself and most of you wouldn’t like to admit it, this year in Preseason Ray Charles could have seen who the better QB was. And in the first quarter that trend of erratic, and turnover bound play continued. If Gibbs says Brunell was hurt last year after watching his improved play in Preseason its hard to argue with the HOF legend coach that won us three superbowls.

Ramsey in his forth year still doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL QB. He unsure, unaware, and doesn’t have a general feel for the game. He’s got a great arm but as Heath showed us that dosen’t' make a good QB. I understand those that feel Ramsey wasn't given a fair shake and hasn’t' been during his stint here in Washington but this is business. Its not our concern or Gibb's concern on being fair its about winning ball games. Right now like it or not with the Defense we have and the improved O-line Brunell is the correct choice for the Skins winning games this year. It’s the blueprint of the 2000 Ravens. Bottom line is if we can beat Dallas MONDAY NIGHT everyone will be back on the bandwagon. Don't feel bad for Ramsey he's a damn Millionaire and he's got more coming from the Bears or Miami next year. Then we will all see that he's just not cut out for the NFL.

Here's the bottom line. We all wanted to see Ramsey last year after we witnessed Brunell throwing weak ducks all over the field. Once Ramsey came in what did he do??? Not much. As much as myself and most of you wouldn’t like to admit it, this year in Preseason Ray Charles could have seen who the better QB was. And in the first quarter that trend of erratic, and turnover bound play continued. If Gibbs says Brunell was hurt last year after watching his improved play in Preseason its hard to argue with the HOF legend coach that won us three superbowls.

Ramsey in his forth year still doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL QB. He unsure, unaware, and doesn’t have a general feel for the game. He’s got a great arm but as Heath showed us that dosen’t' make a good QB. I understand those that feel Ramsey wasn't given a fair shake and hasn’t' been during his stint here in Washington but this is business. Its not our concern or Gibb's concern on being fair its about winning ball games. Right now like it or not with the Defense we have and the improved O-line Brunell is the correct choice for the Skins winning games this year. It’s the blueprint of the 2000 Ravens. Bottom line is if we can beat Dallas MONDAY NIGHT everyone will be back on the bandwagon. Don't feel bad for Ramsey he's a damn Millionaire and he's got more coming from the Bears or Miami next year. Then we will all see that he's just not cut out for the NFL.

Nice take, welcome to the board!