Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)

Well, what you remember is JLC (I think it was him) saying "some in the organization" think Rinehart has a long ways to go. This was back in February I believe

Yes, it was JLC, but I remember the comments were a lot more harsh than Rinehart "has a long ways to go."

Okay, here ya go:

"Third-round pick Chad Rinehart is not seen as a capable player at this point, according to numerous sources involved in the meeting, and is not projected as being anywhere close to able to replace Pete Kendall or Randy Thomas at guard. Many coaches, including Bugel, worry about his confidence and ability, sources said. He is not being counted on to produce much in 2009, and if he did it would be a surprising development."

Redskins Insider - Initial Personnel Ratings Completed (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/skins-first-set-of-personnel-m.html)

Sellers on his drop:

"Win or no win, Mike Sellers was ticked Sunday afternoon. He kept his back to the locker room. He answered questions tersely, his voice low and quiet. He pretty hurriedly left the room through a back door. I ran into him as he was leaving the facility, while he was stopping to joke with some kids and sign some autographs. I told him he looked pissed off.

"I am pissed off," he said. "I dropped a touchdown. I'm one of the guys you depend on, and I had it in my hands, and I didn't catch it. I didn't come through with what I was preaching to everybody else all week long."

Rage was trickling out through his eyes. You've never seen a victorious player fume like this. I asked whether the win didn't make him feel better.

"No," he said. "We won, yeah, but my performance, I'm not happy with it. I'm not. I've got to be hard on myself, because I expect more out of myself. Lack of concentration. Don't worry about it, I'll be on the JUGS machine, working on it.""

D.C. Sports Bog - The Redskins' Post-Rams Grumpiness (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/the_redskins_post-rams_grumpin.html?wprss=dcsportsbog)

I'll concede that perhaps JC is not the problem cause I'm not of the mind set that I hate him or don't like him. But I will say you'd have a hard time finding anyone on the team right now that would be pointing fingers at others, of course they are going to blame themselves for not getting the job done. No different then if you had asked JC about the play he might have said "I could have lightened up on the throw a little" or " I could have gotten it to him sooner." I seriously doubt you would find JC saying "Oh that was all Sellers. He screwed up." or " Sellers saying "That was all JC he needs to not blast it at me so close."

Yes, it was JLC, but I remember the comments were a lot more harsh than Rinehart "has a long ways to go."

Okay, here ya go:

"Third-round pick Chad Rinehart is not seen as a capable player at this point, according to numerous sources involved in the meeting, and is not projected as being anywhere close to able to replace Pete Kendall or Randy Thomas at guard. Many coaches, including Bugel, worry about his confidence and ability, sources said. He is not being counted on to produce much in 2009, and if he did it would be a surprising development."

Redskins Insider - Initial Personnel Ratings Completed (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/skins-first-set-of-personnel-m.html)

I thought Buges also called him out saying something like Chad was not getting the technique down or something to that effect? Then like a week later he changed his tune saying Chad is practicing hard and always at the facility working on his technique. I remember being totally confused about the whole flip-flop routine.

I'll concede that perhaps JC is not the problem cause I'm not of the mind set that I hate him or don't like him. But I will say you'd have a hard time finding anyone on the team right now that would be pointing fingers at others, of course they are going to blame themselves for not getting the job done. No different then if you had asked JC about the play he might have said "I could have lightened up on the throw a little" or " I could have gotten it to him sooner." I seriously doubt you would find JC saying "Oh that was all Sellers. He screwed up." or " Sellers saying "That was all JC he needs to not blast it at me so close."

Actually, JC pretty much called out his receivers (appropriately, it seems to me) - from that same article:

On Jason Campbell - "He wasn't surly or angry or shouting, but he let it be known that he didn't appreciate the two dropped balls in the red zone, by Sellers and Devin Thomas.

'Well you know, it's frustrating,' Campbell told Johnson. 'We had two touchdown passes early in the game [that were dropped]. You're talking about game-changing plays, because now we're up 14 to zero, and that gives us the opportunity to take some confidence out of that team. And when you're just getting field goals what it does is you're continuing to put confidence into the Rams, and they just continue to feel like they can hang around, continue to play with you. And you saw what happened, it ended up being a nailbiter.' "

Oh, and I failed to mention how JC seems to blast the ball to his WR's within 15 yrds of him. Over throws the long ball. and changes into the wrong play.

I think it's pretty clear why Campbell threw the ball as hard as he did at Sellers. QB's throw the ball faster when they know the window is closing. And there was no doubt that window would close within mere milliseconds if he didn't rocket that pass in there. Go ask any wideout or any player on the field counted on to catch the ball and not a single one will tell you it's not fair that they have to catch passes thrown as hard as possible to get squeezed into that window. They know their jobs and what they have to do. The pass was fine.

Look at the bright side though, judging by the Bog's postgame quotes Mike is plenty mad about it too, so you can expect a better performance out of him next time around hopefully.

I agree with Matty as well about Rinehart. I hope this is a blessing in disguise too, and hopefully Rinehart will step up and solidify himself as our starting RG for the future.

Yes, it was JLC, but I remember the comments were a lot more harsh than Rinehart "has a long ways to go."

Okay, here ya go:

"Third-round pick Chad Rinehart is not seen as a capable player at this point, according to numerous sources involved in the meeting, and is not projected as being anywhere close to able to replace Pete Kendall or Randy Thomas at guard. Many coaches, including Bugel, worry about his confidence and ability, sources said. He is not being counted on to produce much in 2009, and if he did it would be a surprising development."

Redskins Insider - Initial Personnel Ratings Completed (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/skins-first-set-of-personnel-m.html)

That was then. This is now, according to the Insider:

"Rinehart lost his confidence while playing tackle in the 2008 preseason, and the internal reviews on him were not good in the offseason. But Rinehart impressed after working exclusively at guard, coaches and players said, and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, is high on Rinehart, who says he is ready to roll after working closely with center Casey Rabach and right tackle Stephon Heyer in the preseason."

and

"Rinehart has come a long way from the guy who failed badly in his brief tryout at tackle in the previous preseason. It's one thing for Cerrato, who drafted Rinehart, to say he has potential, but I've heard it from several other people as well."

We'll find out soon enough!

That was then. This is now, according to the Insider:

"Rinehart lost his confidence while playing tackle in the 2008 preseason, and the internal reviews on him were not good in the offseason. But Rinehart impressed after working exclusively at guard, coaches and players said, and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, is high on Rinehart, who says he is ready to roll after working closely with center Casey Rabach and right tackle Stephon Heyer in the preseason."

and

"Rinehart has come a long way from the guy who failed badly in his brief tryout at tackle in the previous preseason. It's one thing for Cerrato, who drafted Rinehart, to say he has potential, but I've heard it from several other people as well."

We'll find out soon enough!

Nothing like trial by fire. :)

That was then. This is now, according to the Insider:

"Rinehart lost his confidence while playing tackle in the 2008 preseason, and the internal reviews on him were not good in the offseason. But Rinehart impressed after working exclusively at guard, coaches and players said, and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, is high on Rinehart, who says he is ready to roll after working closely with center Casey Rabach and right tackle Stephon Heyer in the preseason."

and

"Rinehart has come a long way from the guy who failed badly in his brief tryout at tackle in the previous preseason. It's one thing for Cerrato, who drafted Rinehart, to say he has potential, but I've heard it from several other people as well."

We'll find out soon enough!
JLC never had any real inside information. For all we know he might have made it up.

That was then. This is now, according to the Insider:

"Rinehart lost his confidence while playing tackle in the 2008 preseason, and the internal reviews on him were not good in the offseason. But Rinehart impressed after working exclusively at guard, coaches and players said, and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, is high on Rinehart, who says he is ready to roll after working closely with center Casey Rabach and right tackle Stephon Heyer in the preseason."

and

"Rinehart has come a long way from the guy who failed badly in his brief tryout at tackle in the previous preseason. It's one thing for Cerrato, who drafted Rinehart, to say he has potential, but I've heard it from several other people as well."

We'll find out soon enough!

I hope that report is right about him. All I'm saying is he has played exactly zero regular season snaps and now he's starting. Like I said, makes me nervous. Obviously I'm pulling for him though.

There's nothing wrong with us. Three field goals is what's wrong. We're loyal enough to get on a message board because we're hardcore Redskin fans. How many other fans know the entire lineup and depth of their team?

The time for stacking O-line men was years ago. If Zorn does get the boot then I say Vinny should too. I watched the Giants and Girls play last night. Watching the girls run on NJ just made my angry. Why can't we do that?

If we have to blow it up then blow it up. Nothing I've seen so far suggests that we'll not. Nothing short of the playoffs will stop this IMO.

I concur...Ive been hoping and praying the skins get it together since they last went to the superbowl in 1991, Im sick of my wife giving me crap for putting my heart out there for them every year to get disappointed...Blow the Offense and Coaching staff up and start over,,,,Its time