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12thMan 11-16-2010, 12:31 PM I gotta tell you, I'm not buying the whole it takes time to adjust to the 3-4 business. This defense is horrible and it wasn't this bad last year. And we do have some talent on that side of the ball, so it's simply not adding up. Of course, we need to upgrades here and there, but still we've fallen off and that's on Haslett.
#56fanatic 11-16-2010, 12:35 PM I am first to bash some of the morans that have run this organization the past 10 years. However, it was Shanny that wanted to run this 3-4 this year, vs waiting for the right players to run it. Hazlett is doing the best he can with really nothing to work with. We have maybe 2 or 3 legit 3-4 pieces to have the D work with any consistant results. Orakpo, Fletcher, Landry, maybe Hall (sometimes) the rest of them are really not fitting in. The fact we have forced so many turnovers is quite amazing to me given that fact that we are normally getting run over or out of position, so I give him credit for creating that type of attitude.
This game last night turned on a couple of plays. Yeah, the 1st play was a horrible way to start the game. But, we come back and run the ball 3 straight times??. 2nd time with the ball, down 14-0, 3rd down, McNabb get pressured, he moves out and throws a ball that Moss should have caught. I think he felt a little scared of getting hit and stopped running. He catches that, 1st down drive still alive. Instead interception, down 21-0. Next possession, OLD ASS Galloway drops a beautiful thrown ball that would have been a first down, drive still alive. Instead, we punt and now down 28-0. We had opportunities to be in the game but those few plays really summed up the night. Eagles hit every single opportunity given to them. Missed tackles by a bunch of us on that 50 yard run. We make those 1st downs early in the game, keep the ball, drive down get some points and I am not sure, but i think the Eagles consistant aggressive playcalling may have been scaled back a bit. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain by going for the throat after leading 21-0.
We will see how this team responds next week. Hopefully, come out with some fire and want to prove something. Because right now, we have once again made ourselves into a joke in the NFL by last nights horrible showing on national TV.
sportscurmudgeon 11-16-2010, 12:39 PM After watching last night’s game, guess what? The Redskins need a new defensive coordinator, too! Only Jim Haslet could take a top 10 defensive unit and make it the worst defense in the NFL! Back when Marty Schottenheimer (sp?) was hired as the Redskins coach I was ecstatic. Well, it took me three weeks and I was ready to toss him back to Cleveland, which also fired him (before KC also fired him!). He tried to tell Darrell Green how to play cornerback!!! He said he was a teacher of football, and Green had been playing his position wrong! Eventually Marty got fired after one year so the ‘Skins could bring in the inept Steve Spurrier and Green ended up in the Hall of Fame. So now we have Shanahan, who was fired by Denver, and then Mike hired his son as his offensive coordinator, and the playcalling looks kind of strange to me. Now Kyle is trying to teach McNabb how to play QB (he says his stance is wrong and he’s trying to get McNabb to change it!!!). McNabb will eventually end up in the Hall of Fame (presumably because of his “bad” stance when he throws!!!) Woe is me…Why do coaches go brain dead when they are hired by the Redskins? And why can their sons call good plays in Houston but suddenly are the height of ineptness when they reach the Redskins? The ‘Skins looked lost on defense against the Eagles, just as they looked lost against the Colts. Fire Haslet now!!! Next to go would be Kyle if the offense doesn’t improve!
Kyle Shanahan did not go braindead when he got here. One huge change for him is that he had Andre Johnson to catch the ball thrown by his QB in Houston and he had NO ONE here in Washington who is half as good as Andre Johnson.
I happen to think Kyle Shanahan is very overrated as an "offensive genius" and that if his name were Kyle Flabeetz he would still be a quality control coach at a Diovision 1-AA college somewhere, but his success in Houston came because he had some REALLY good players there and he has precious few of them here.
SirClintonPortis 11-16-2010, 12:46 PM I am first to bash some of the morans that have run this organization the past 10 years. However, it was Shanny that wanted to run this 3-4 this year, vs waiting for the right players to run it. Hazlett is doing the best he can with really nothing to work with. We have maybe 2 or 3 legit 3-4 pieces to have the D work with any consistant results. Orakpo, Fletcher, Landry, maybe Hall (sometimes) the rest of them are really not fitting in. The fact we have forced so many turnovers is quite amazing to me given that fact that we are normally getting run over or out of position, so I give him credit for creating that type of attitude.
This game last night turned on a couple of plays. Yeah, the 1st play was a horrible way to start the game. But, we come back and run the ball 3 straight times??. 2nd time with the ball, down 14-0, 3rd down, McNabb get pressured, he moves out and throws a ball that Moss should have caught. I think he felt a little scared of getting hit and stopped running. He catches that, 1st down drive still alive. Instead interception, down 21-0. Next possession, OLD ASS Galloway drops a beautiful thrown ball that would have been a first down, drive still alive. Instead, we punt and now down 28-0. We had opportunities to be in the game but those few plays really summed up the night. Eagles hit every single opportunity given to them. Missed tackles by a bunch of us on that 50 yard run. We make those 1st downs early in the game, keep the ball, drive down get some points and I am not sure, but i think the Eagles consistant aggressive playcalling may have been scaled back a bit. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain by going for the throat after leading 21-0.
We will see how this team responds next week. Hopefully, come out with some fire and want to prove something. Because right now, we have once again made ourselves into a joke in the NFL by last nights horrible showing on national TV.
From what I saw, Moss had to reach for the pass and it was just an inch or two too far.
GhettoDogAllStars 11-16-2010, 12:47 PM I agree with Bohnzie.
Kareem Moore has been responsible for many big plays this year.
Regarding Keiland Williams, I think we're starting to see Shanahan's system take effect. He was just running with the line and taking the first hole available. Once we get the blockers, I think we'll see good success with mediocre backs.
Galloway made too many mistakes last night, and I'd forgive him if he wasn't 38 or whatever.
While I hated seeing the Redskins lose, watching Vick was truly awe-inspiring. I appreciate good football, and Vick was out of this world. It was special to watch, even though it had to be against the Skins.
#56fanatic 11-16-2010, 12:49 PM From what I saw, Moss had to reach for the pass and it was just an inch or two too far.
It looked to me that he was crossing the middle, then stopped just as McNabb let the ball go, and reached for the ball. Either way, a first down opportunity lost.
GhettoDogAllStars 11-16-2010, 12:50 PM I don't get the "fire _____" thing. What we saw last night was a team with lots of good young draft picks and a coaching staff that's been together for a very long time kicking the shit out of a team with very few good young draft picks and a staff that came in this year.
Continuity and slow build through the draft. It takes time. There's no quick fix. Stop dreaming--we've been down that road how many time in the last decade???
You hit the nail on the head.
skinsguy 11-16-2010, 12:51 PM Kyle Shanahan did not go braindead when he got here. One huge change for him is that he had Andre Johnson to catch the ball thrown by his QB in Houston and he had NO ONE here in Washington who is half as good as Andre Johnson.
I happen to think Kyle Shanahan is very overrated as an "offensive genius" and that if his name were Kyle Flabeetz he would still be a quality control coach at a Diovision 1-AA college somewhere, but his success in Houston came because he had some REALLY good players there and he has precious few of them here.
Yeah but, wouldn't that be the same argument for Bill Walsh? If he hadn't had Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, etc... all hall of fame players, that he wouldn't be held in high regards as a coach?
over the mountain 11-16-2010, 12:52 PM i was pretty high on kareem moore compared to horton. moore can lay the wood for sure, but coverage was an unknown. now he is missing tackles, poor angles and being exposed somewhat in coverage.
on a pos note, doughty and alexander continue to be ST coverage monsters. i could see doughty playing his way back into the starting lineup at safety if he continues to excel on specials and moore continues to digress.
Moore stinks anytime he has to come up in the box and make a tackle, he gets his ankles broken on a regular basis. Doughty is great on teams but that's where he should stay. We can probably add free safety to our needs list next year.
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