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Sounds like anger issues to me. But hey, if you felt that you saved the world that day more power to you. We obviously differ when it comes to our opinions on how to properly treat others. I guess you learn something new everyday. I never knew that it took a lazy man to walk away from a confrontation. That's an impressive life lesson.

Well, I wasn't confronted, my wife was.
It started as anger issues...that I am not denying. The fact that he didn't get knocked out shows the anger issues subsided.
I think where we differ is where you would allow someone to mistreat you or your wife, I won't. We also differ in the thought that I think by giving him money, you are making the situation worse, while you think you're "helping".

If someone asks me for a buck and I have it, I'll give it to them. I honestly don't care what they do with it, I'm not trying to judge them, correct them or punish them.

I've always been a spare change giver outer type of guy. Hmm...sounds like a cool Bud Light Real Men of Empathy commercial.

I agree here too. But the fact is, many Americans are probably one or two paychecks away from being pretty darn close to homeless. I think what separates them from the homeless guy or woman, in some cases at least, is they actually have either the sheer tenacity or the resourses to actually keep them off the streets.

I guess my position on this really stems from two things: My belief in the scriptures that adheres to the idea that we should feed the hungry, provide shelter for the homeless, and cloth the naked. To me that's not just a Christian tenet, but a human tenet as well. I also think there is something very American about taking care of those less fortunate. Of course, all things must be done in balance and not put too much of a strain on those that keep the ecomony churning, but I think you guys get the spirit of what I saying here.

And let me say this one last thing too - I don't think the question of whether or not many are deserving should enter into the equation. Because I've received a lot of shit over the course of my life that I didn't deserve, and yet here I am.

True dat. I would suggest all of us sitting here reading this thread have received benefits from persons and events beyond are control. Likely as not, some have been harmed in the same fashion. It is for this reason I constantly repeat to myself when I see those less fortunate than myself "There but for the grace of God go I."

Well said 12th.

I think my point of view stems from my belief that I KNOW that if you took every possession I won and all my money. Separated me from my family. Erased my educational history and work experience. If i had to star with totally nothing, I know I could have a job and a place to live by the end of the week. It simply isn't that hard. Again, there are many that need help and will do what is necessary to get it. These are the people we should focus on helping. It is our responsibility. But there are certainly people who simply won't do what they need to 'earn' their help. And I simply am not in favor of helping people who won't use the help to get to a point where they don't need it anymore.

If someone asks me for a buck and I have it, I'll give it to them. I honestly don't care what they do with it, I'm not trying to judge them, correct them or punish them.

They didn't ask for a buck...they asked work for food, my wife offered, he said F.U. Open shut case here matty.

Just curious, are you in favor of any sort of charity? Or does it have to come with a laundry list of exceptions?

I have already explained the charities I give to, in fact I would wager I give more than 95% of the people here. (not that I'm judging anyone, it comes from the heart and I completely understand if people won't or even can't give to charities) I refuse to give to "charities" of people that won't help themselves.

i think its funny that it seems like you have more compassion for animals, then you do your fellow humans

That is absolutely true. Why? Cause animals don't know any better.

However, I have a ton of compassion for those humans that are just down on their luck but are giving 100% to change that around. None for the guy that thinks "poor me" with his hand out. There is a huge difference to me.

I think my point of view stems from my belief that I KNOW that if you took every possession I won and all my money. Separated me from my family. Erased my educational history and work experience. If i had to star with totally nothing, I know I could have a job and a place to live by the end of the week. It simply isn't that hard. Again, there are many that need help and will do what is necessary to get it. These are the people we should focus on helping. It is our responsibility. But there are certainly people who simply won't do what they need to 'earn' their help. And I simply am not in favor of helping people who won't use the help to get to a point where they don't need it anymore.


FRPLG, if you have absolutely no money and no place to live, no clothes other than the ones your wearing then what landlord is going to let you rent from him without a deposit of sorts? What employer is going to hire you knowing that you don't have a physical address or phone number for him to be able to reach you? Not saying you can't do it, but I believe it will take longer than a week to get yourself settled in a residence. You almost would have to be a night time maintenance worker that is able to utilize the sinks for laundary and hygiene and find a corner to sleep in for a good while. I'm thinking 3 months and some good luck meeting a compassionate employer.

If someone asks me for a buck and I have it, I'll give it to them. I honestly don't care what they do with it, I'm not trying to judge them, correct them or punish them.

If you saw a homeless guy with a broken arm would you offer him a job cutting your grass? I doubt it. Becuase while that may seem like help it really isn't because he can't do the job and would get nothing from it. I think what jsarno is trying to say is that sometimes what you deem as "help" isn't really helping. Human nature dictates that many people become dependent very easily. If giving them that dollar only further entrenches that sense of dependence then is it really helping?

The old saying "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime." comes to mind. Maybe instead of giving them a dollar we should focus on getting them past the rough times. That is why I want to see people who are willing to put work into fixing their lives. They gotta pull as much weight as they can. I'll help anybody who can't help themselves or those who can and try. Helping those who can and don't try isn't helping. Sometimes it is actually even hurting them more.

I think my point of view stems from my belief that I KNOW that if you took every possession I won and all my money. Separated me from my family. Erased my educational history and work experience. If i had to star with totally nothing, I know I could have a job and a place to live by the end of the week. It simply isn't that hard. Again, there are many that need help and will do what is necessary to get it. These are the people we should focus on helping. It is our responsibility. But there are certainly people who simply won't do what they need to 'earn' their help. And I simply am not in favor of helping people who won't use the help to get to a point where they don't need it anymore.


I agree...it may take a little more than a week, but I agree.
We are bread to believe that we are helpless to the things that happen to us, we are not. We are the masters of our own destiny.
If all that happened to me today, I already know of ditch digging jobs, or possibly even working at McDonalds. Work hard, and the next thing you know, you're the manager. I refuse to hear "I can't". YOU CAN.

FRPLG, if you have absolutely no money and no place to live, no clothes other than the ones your wearing then what landlord is going to let you rent from him without a deposit of sorts? What employer is going to hire you knowing that you don't have a physical address or phone number for him to be able to reach you? Not saying you can't do it, but I believe it will take longer than a week to get yourself settled in a residence. You almost would have to be a night time maintenance worker that is able to utilize the sinks for laundary and hygiene and find a corner to sleep in for a good while. I'm thinking 3 months and some good luck meeting a compassionate employer.

Whether it takes a week or 3 months is irrelevant to me. I know I could do it. I suspect most people here could to.