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Schools back when I went in the 70's and 80's sold nothing but junk food and we did not have an obesity problems like todays kids.Even at home we ate more fried food and high fat foods and go back and look at what our grandparents ate all the time. Maybe the parents should be parents and cut off the TV, computers, video games and get the kids up and moving around. Speaking of kids when I was 10 years old or around that age I would cut grass and stuff like that to make a buck. When was the last time you had a kid come by and ask to do some odd jobs?

When I was in school in the 80's and early 90's we had very little junk food and only one vending machine, and that machine only had juice in it.

Things have gotten much worse since then, as evident by recent efforts to push the junk food out of schools (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/04/07/MNGS9I4T4F1.DTL).

You mention they aren't getting enough exercise and I totally agree, but again that's something that can start at an early age at school as well.

When I was in school we had gym class 2-3 days per week, but I've heard of schools where gym classes are optional.

i disagree with this. with the kind of outrageous money the people in the medical field make, if they screw me up, i want paid. no, it wont make me better. but it might make them think twice about operating on my left leg, when the problems in my right leg.

Yah, I hear you D.
The deal for me is the amounts put on this type of thing and the legitimacy of same. If I'm your patient, and you mess me up, there needs to be some sort of calc for deriving a reasonable solution. I don't know for sure, but I don't think that exists today.
Granted, it blows when something happens to someone you care about in a negligent manner. There should be punitive action of some kind taken against the doc. There should be some kind of compensation to the victim or their family, depending on the severity. In this case, I think reason has left the building.
I don;t think doc's in general don't make the scratch they used to. At least I think they have to hussle a lot more to get it. Be part of a group referring to there own specialists, therapists, testing facilities, etc.
I was part of a business bringing up a small group of doc's for cosmetic stuff a few years ago, and I was shocked. We quit taking most ins, as we could not get anything for our services. I'm not saying doc's are not living pretty good, but ai don't think most of them enjoy the wealth many people think.
The system needs to be stripped down and start over. it is killing itself

When I was in school in the 80's and early 90's we had very little junk food and only one vending machine, and that machine only had juice in it.

Things have gotten much worse since then, as evident by recent efforts to push the junk food out of schools (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/04/07/MNGS9I4T4F1.DTL).

You mention they aren't getting enough exercise and I totally agree, but again that's something that can start at an early age at school as well.

When I was in school we had gym class 2-3 days per week, but I've heard of schools where gym classes are optional.
Matty our difference in how we look at thing is you think goverment is the answer and I feel people need to take more responsibiltity for themself. I agree that it may help some to remove the junk food from the schools but that is such a small part of the problem. Its like the parents blamming fast food for their childs weight problem while sitting in line at Burger King. The school I attened had all those junk food machines.

Matty our difference in how we look at thing is you think goverment is the answer and I feel people need to take more responsibiltity for themself. I agree that it may help some to remove the junk food from the schools but that is such a small part of the problem. Its like the parents blamming fast food for their childs weight problem while sitting in line at Burger King. The school I attened had all those junk food machines.

I never said the gov't is the answer, I think you're correct as well. I think schools AND parents need to do a better job. If people took more responsibility for their own situations we wouldn't have the problems that we do. I think at times people need some guidance and examples to follow, and if that means the gov't and/or schools stepping in and providing that I'm all for it.

those guys are all at least making six figures. i know it takes a tremendous amount of schooling, but they are getting paid for what they know. its their responsibility to get it right

You act like all medical care is black and white. I have problem with Drs who have been negligent getting punished but an awful lot of good honest Drs get sued for dubious reasons. Pretending that anyone is going to do their job with 100% efficacy is silly.

i agree with the silly lawsuits. but that were the judges have to tell them, this is a joke and get the hell out of my court room

Speaking of kids when I was 10 years old or around that age I would cut grass and stuff like that to make a buck. When was the last time you had a kid come by and ask to do some odd jobs?

Yeah good point, whenever we have a big snowstorm I'm always thinking where are all the kids at?

When I was a kid my friends and I were always walking around with our shovels after a storm trying to make a buck or two.

Yeah good point, whenever we have a big snowstorm I'm always thinking where are all the kids at?

When I was a kid my friends and I were always walking around with our shovels after a storm trying to make a buck or two.


Around here, instead of kids you see Hispanic Men going around with shovels. I think some kids think that if you have to sweat to do it, you're suppossed to hire a Mexican. When I was a kid, Ms. Garret from Diff'rent Strokes was the only maid that I ever heard of. Now, I am the only adult I know who cleans his own GD house. Most people think they are too important to perform physical tasks. I don't think they're lazy, I just think they have a distorted view of themselves and this rubs off on their kids.

I think the real problem with health care is that all of the parties involved tend to point the finger at the other person. Like the Ins Co. saying its the doctors and hospitals and the doctors blaming the Ins. co. etc. Maybe if the goverment, doctors, insurance co, Rx, and the hositals and places that provide the services would just sit down and have open talks they could figure out ways to improve the system. I would also include everyday Americans in these talks. It just seem to me evryone is always point the finger at someone else when all involved have a % of blame.

I think the real problem with health care is that all of the parties involved tend to point the finger at the other person. Like the Ins Co. saying its the doctors and hospitals and the doctors blaming the Ins. co. etc. Maybe if the goverment, doctors, insurance co, Rx, and the hositals and places that provide the services would just sit down and have open talks they could figure out ways to improve the system. I would also include everyday Americans in these talks. It just seem to me evryone is always point the finger at someone else when all involved have a % of blame.

I'll get right on it.

Healthcare is a modern day Gordian Knot. Unfortunately, I don't see an Alexander the Great on our political horizon.