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GMScud 02-23-2009, 05:53 PM No concerns about how Robinson got abused in the BCS game vs. Florida? I'm not much of a college football fan but he jumped early a few times and other times just got flat out beaten.
That's a bit of a concern, but it is just one game. However, it was such a bad game that Stoops actually benched him for a few series. A little worrisome when you can't mentally show up for the biggest game of your life.
That said, I still think he's the best pure guard available.
SmootSmack 02-23-2009, 05:56 PM Would Barnes' skill set be worth the money he gets if the plan is to slide him across the line to the right side?
What's the money going to be? I can't remember what I last heard, 6 years 30 million maybe? Something like that.
GMScud 02-23-2009, 06:06 PM What's the money going to be? I can't remember what I last heard, 6 years 30 million maybe? Something like that.
Is he worth that much? I saw on CBS Sportsline that Khalif Barnes surrendered more sacks last season (7.5) than any other blind-side blocker in the league. I guess he'll be better suited at RT, which is presumably where he would play for us.
SmootSmack 02-23-2009, 06:13 PM I should say that my saying let's sign Barnes had more to do with skinsfan_nn's post hinting that we may sign Barnes or Haynesworth, and I'm just saying of the two let's sign Barnes and do all the other stuff I said. If there's an option C (which of course there is) then I would say sign neither. Too many questions marks with Haynesworth and very similar question marks with Barnes. Both are extremely talented, but after 4 plus years neither has shown a propensity to be consistently counted on.
skinsfan_nn 02-23-2009, 06:30 PM 100 mil, 30 mil guaranteed..? Damn, wouldn't mind having him but not for that kinda jack. I'm hoping he gets it elsewhere.
I wonder why the market is soft......
SOFT MARKET FOR HAYNESWORTH?
Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2009, 5:41 p.m.
Lately, we’ve been chirping the phrase “caveat emptor” whenever discussing Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. And it could be that some of the potential emptors are indeed, um, caveating.
According to Peter King of SI.com, there won’t be a long line of teams chasing Haynesworth come midnight on February 27.
As one unnamed coach told King, “Everybody I’ve asked this weekend says, ‘We’re out of that,’ or ‘I don’t think you’ll see us involved in Haynesworth.’”
The coach to whom King spoke also said that his team has some interest in getting Haynesworth “at the right price” — “which is about half of what Haynesworth is hoping to get.”
It’s believed that Haynesworth wants a $100 million contract, with more than $30 million of it guaranteed.
King says that the Redskins might in the end be the team that gets him, as evidenced by the fact that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder was spotted having dinner with Haynesworth’s agent, Chad Speck, in Indy.
As we’ve said a few times lately, if neither the Titans (for whom Haynesworth has played all seven NFL seasons) nor the Lions (who are now coached by Haynesworth’s former defensive coordinator) make a serious play for the guy, it’s the strongest possible message that could be delivered to any team that toys with giving him huge money.
GTripp0012 02-23-2009, 06:42 PM I should say that my saying let's sign Barnes had more to do with skinsfan_nn's post hinting that we may sign Barnes or Haynesworth, and I'm just saying of the two let's sign Barnes and do all the other stuff I said. If there's an option C (which of course there is) then I would say sign neither. Too many questions marks with Haynesworth and very similar question marks with Barnes. Both are extremely talented, but after 4 plus years neither has shown a propensity to be consistently counted on.If option 'C' stands for "cost-effective", then I like the backup T from the Seahawks, Ray Willis, who is only 27. He's a more established version of Heyer.
SmootSmack 02-23-2009, 06:46 PM If option 'C' stands for "cost-effective", then I like the backup T from the Seahawks, Ray Willis, who is only 27. He's a more established version of Heyer.
Do you think he can start? Because I don't think we should be looking for a backup
skinsfan69 02-23-2009, 06:58 PM Really? That is the biggest need on defense next to OLB. I'm not saying we should break the bank for Haynesworth but if we get him I don't hink he will be the second coming of Stubblefield.
We can get by with the current group ( Griff, Monty and Goldston) we currently have. Plus Evans can play DT. They're not going to cave in the pocket but they're all serviceable and for the most part they get the job done. Why would the FO pay out a ton of money to one guy when there are so many other needs to fill? We need a guard or two, a RT, DE and LB depth.
The Goat 02-23-2009, 06:59 PM If option 'C' stands for "cost-effective", then I like the backup T from the Seahawks, Ray Willis, who is only 27. He's a more established version of Heyer.
Been wondering about this kid. He started much of last year at RT and only gave up 1.5 sacks all season. He's extremely powerful but tends to miss blocks here and there. 53Fan had a nice link on him somewhere but it escapes me at the moment...
GTripp0012 02-23-2009, 07:11 PM Do you think he can start? Because I don't think we should be looking for a backupYou know, I think that's a good point. I have him rated below the line of 79 on my spreadsheets, which would imply that I don't think he's an ideal starter, and I have Barnes at 80, which implies he should start somewhere.
However, if it comes down to contract talks, and we're talking 4 years at 12 million to Willis, and 6 years 30 million to Barnes, it's hard to justify Barnes at that price.
So, yeah, I think Willis is capable of starting, but I'm not sure he's a huge improvement on Jansen (if at all). But then again, there's value in simply having the extra body, because the offense is more resistant to injury attrition, and it decreases the chance we see another 2008.
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