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Nflnick11 02-23-2009, 07:40 PM we need to get haynesworth simply because we need to get to the other QB's in the league...even if haynesworth doesn't try because he got paid, he's still a big body that no lineman can move around, if we have a Dline that can beat the Cowboys oline and sack romo, then this is the first and huge piece to that puzzle think about it for a second Carter, Gholston, Haynesworth, Taylor two great pass rushers on the outside and a decent 2 way dtackle, and do it all haynesworth...and for all you saying "I don't want him" just wait till they hold his press conference with him putting on the jersey and smiling and having all those breaking news cameras watching his press conference, thats when it will hit you all and make you change your thoughts of getting him little by little
over the mountain 02-23-2009, 07:51 PM question:
is snyder allowed to enter discussions/negotiations with haynesworth's agent while AH is still under contract until friday with the titans?
im guessin it must be perfectly legit since the article doesnt say anything. also AH's agent does rep other players (FA and draft declared) which snyder would be able to inquire about. just curious if this is perfectly ok, an unwritten rule where snyder and AH's agent could met and talk about other things just not about acquiring AH, or some third option.
go skins!
DirtyLandry 02-23-2009, 07:52 PM we need to get haynesworth simply because we need to get to the other QB's in the league...even if haynesworth doesn't try because he got paid, he's still a big body that no lineman can move around, if we have a Dline that can beat the Cowboys oline and sack romo, then this is the first and huge piece to that puzzle think about it for a second Carter, Gholston, Haynesworth, Taylor two great pass rushers on the outside and a decent 2 way dtackle, and do it all haynesworth...and for all you saying "I don't want him" just wait till they hold his press conference with him putting on the jersey and smiling and having all those breaking news cameras watching his press conference, thats when it will hit you all and make you change your thoughts of getting him little by little
Amen, brother. Hearing people say "no way" makes me want to jam a pencil in my eye. This guy is one of the most dominant players in the league. People argue that we have the 4th ranked defense without him. SO WHAT! The Steelers had the #1 D and won the F*cking Superbowl! Uhh..how 'bout the year before that? The Giants won because of Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Micheal Strahan. Jesus Christ, I am tired of casual football fans that only want to acquire college kids who have never played a down in the NFL. I don't care if you have the 1st overall pick....he's not guaranteed to do Sh*t. Skins fans are largely paranoid and myopic because of some bad deals that happened a decade ago. A dominant DT can improve your entire D-you don't need elite corners that have to cover all day if your D line is constantly in the face of the QB. This would be worth a lot of $$ to me.
Nflnick11 02-23-2009, 08:00 PM Amen, brother. Hearing people say "no way" makes me want to jam a pencil in my eye. This guy is one of the most dominant players in the league. People argue that we have the 4th ranked defense without him. SO WHAT! The Steelers had the #1 D and won the F*cking Superbowl! Uhh..how 'bout the year before that? The Giants won because of Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Micheal Strahan. Jesus Christ, I am tired of casual football fans that only want to acquire college kids who have never played a down in the NFL. I don't care if you have the 1st overall pick....he's not guaranteed to do Sh*t. Skins fans are largely paranoid and myopic because of some bad deals that happened a decade ago. A dominant DT can improve your entire D-you don't need elite corners that have to cover all day if your D line is constantly in the face of the QB. This would be worth a lot of $$ to me.
and their oline was worse than ours, Big Ben was sacked I think the most or the second most in the league...Defense wins championships, some of you maybe be tired of hearing that famous saying but it's true
tryfuhl 02-23-2009, 08:49 PM No concerns about how Robinson got abused in the BCS game vs. Florida? I'm not much of a college football fan but he jumped early a few times and other times just got flat out beaten.
I saw that.. and that was honestly the only game that I saw out of him
it did not give me a lot of confidence in him, but it was the only game, he could've been anxious
that's what coaching is supposed to remedy
That Guy 02-23-2009, 09:42 PM Amen, brother. Hearing people say "no way" makes me want to jam a pencil in my eye. This guy is one of the most dominant players in the league. People argue that we have the 4th ranked defense without him. SO WHAT! The Steelers had the #1 D and won the F*cking Superbowl! Uhh..how 'bout the year before that? The Giants won because of Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Micheal Strahan. Jesus Christ, I am tired of casual football fans that only want to acquire college kids who have never played a down in the NFL. I don't care if you have the 1st overall pick....he's not guaranteed to do Sh*t. Skins fans are largely paranoid and myopic because of some bad deals that happened a decade ago. A dominant DT can improve your entire D-you don't need elite corners that have to cover all day if your D line is constantly in the face of the QB. This would be worth a lot of $$ to me.
instead of answering one of 3 or 4 issues and calling anyone that doesn't agree with you an idiot, why not try to be a least a little bit more constructive, instead of beating up strawmen. If defense wins championships, what happened to the titans? or the ravens post dilfer? It's hard to win without a good defense, but there's a bit more to it than that, or else new england and indy wouldn't waste so much money on a quarterback.
is he going to help us win a superbowl in 2009? is danny really going to give him six years and 100mill? can we be competitive that way? no concerns about giving that much money to a guy that has character concerns and the titans and his ex-defensive coordinator don't seem super-eager to go after?
I think he'd be a good addition myself, but I don't think AH by himself is going to push us from average to amazing, and his contract and the way the skins work the cap doesn't really seem to work logically... I mean, if we hit on 6 or 7 draft picks and cheap FAs (to replace the guys we'd dump and the weak spots on the roster), but i don't really see it happening.
Nflnick11 02-23-2009, 09:58 PM Good point about defenses in the past, but here's the thing with haynesworth; name me one defensive lineman on our team right now whose better than haynesworth.
Also when we got London fletcher from buffalo I didn't think it wasn't that much of an upgrade over lemar Marshall ... Then fletch played great for us and became a difference maker and playmaker for our defense, same thing with haynesworth, he's clearly better than any of our DTs put together... And if we sign him to a contract it should have incenives to it like if e make playoffs he gets 10 million a year but if we don't he gets 4 million a year or something like that/ close to that
DirtyLandry 02-23-2009, 10:09 PM [QUOTE]instead of answering one of 3 or 4 issues and calling anyone that doesn't agree with you an idiot, why not try to be a least a little bit more constructive, instead of beating up strawmen.
I never suggested that the skins should address only one of their issues, and I never called anyone an idiot.
If defense wins championships, what happened to the titans? or the ravens post dilfer? It's hard to win without a good defense, but there's a bit more to it than that, or else new england and indy wouldn't waste so much money on a quarterback.
At what point did I say offense is irrelevant? I only made a completely logical argument as to why elite defensive linemen are important and showed exactly why with the last two superbowl winners.
is he going to help us win a superbowl in 2009? is danny really going to give him six years and 100mill? can we be competitive that way? no concerns about giving that much money to a guy that has character concerns and the titans and his ex-defensive coordinator don't seem super-eager to go after?
My initial response was obviously that of a frustrated one. I am tired of pseudo-fans regurgitating and repeating what the talking heads say. This is why it's a copy-cat league, most people can't think for themselves. The "popular" thing to say about Randy Moss prior to going to the Pats was that he had character issues. No he didn't and neither does Haynesworth.
I think he'd be a good addition myself, but I don't think AH by himself is going to push us from average to amazing, and his contract and the way the skins work the cap doesn't really seem to work logically... I mean, if we hit on 6 or 7 draft picks and cheap FAs (to replace the guys we'd dump and the weak spots on the roster), but i don't really see it happening.
If there is no cap next year, then why worry about a players salary? Also, I noted in my post that an elite, blue chip DT can improve an entire Defense, never did I propose that this player alone would solve all of our woes. You probably should have read my post in it's entirety. If we hit on 6 or 7 draft picks? Dude, we have only four this year and this FO has shown that it doesn't draft well, and don't give me the Horton argument. For the money, Haynesworth is the single best option for helping an entire organization.
Schneed10 02-23-2009, 10:11 PM I'm going to tear my hair out with all these "I'd love Haynesworth, but not for that price!" posts.
THERE IS NO PRICE IF THERE IS NO CAP!!!
Do I need to start an informational thread on the salary cap and why its days are numbered?
DirtyLandry 02-23-2009, 10:15 PM ^^ Thank you, Schneed.
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