What has Obama done well?

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Trample the Elderly
08-18-2009, 02:10 PM
2. You said thanks for telling you how to spend your money. Isn't that what America does every day by telling countries that they cannot invest in their nuclear programs? You are telling me that I cannot tell you not to drive a V-8 because it is bad for the environment, but you can tell Iran not to make missiles because they are bad for the environment. That's awesome! Who told America that we couldn't make our nuclear missiles and build our nuclear sub marines and power plants? We tell them because we understand the devastation that may come of them just like I understand the devastation by you driving your V-8. So come on Wolfeskis, please don’t drive a V-8 or I will sanction you and plan air strikes against your garage.

This is what I've been saying for awhile. The Federal Government should leave people alone, at home and abroad.

Monkeydad
08-18-2009, 02:59 PM
Most of us know that Obama has done a poor job thus far as president (at least those that are willing to look at things objectively). So to be fair, and objective, what has he done right thus far?

Please note, this is not a bash Obama thread, we could fill up a ton of pages with what he's done wrong, this is purely a thread to show the positive Obama has done to this point...I'm sure Obama has done some good, so here's your chance to voice it.

He reads a teleprompter well. That's about it.

MTK
08-18-2009, 03:05 PM
The rap game is killing kids?

video games too

Trample the Elderly
08-18-2009, 03:12 PM
video games too

Damn!

ArtMonkDrillz
08-18-2009, 03:33 PM
The rap game is killing kids?Only when kids use it as a gateway into the "thug" life and they take the messages like "get rich or die tryin'" to heart.

Slingin Sammy 33
08-18-2009, 03:49 PM
On this note, what would the expectation be for a Catholic president meeting with the Pope? From a starting point, such a meeting would be a meeting of two heads of state (U.S. and Vatican). But, I suppose theoretically, there would be a level of meaning for that particular U.S. president that would transcend politics, and isn't it common for Catholics meeting the Pope to make a sort of gesture? (Kneeling maybe? I honestly don't know.) If it is common for a Catholic to do such a thing, and a president happened to be Catholic and did it, but claimed that it was in his/her "status" as a Catholic, how would people come down on that?I'm Catholic, I believe the correct greeting for the Pope is to kneel and kiss his ring. I can't speak for all Catholics, but if it was me as President meeting the Pope, I would greet him as any other head of state, with a handshake. I wouldn't kneel and kiss his ring because as President I would be meeting him as POTUS, not as a "Catholic". Maybe that's just me and I'm completely wrong, but that's what I would do.

Behind closed doors with just the Pope and I, I would show his position the respect all Catholics should. To Catholics this greeting is not to the man but for his position as Christ's ambassador to the world.

Slingin Sammy 33
08-18-2009, 03:52 PM
My warrant officer would've had my ass if I had bowed in the way the Japanese did.Agreed. It may not be in the UCMJ, but my superiors would've made it very clear that bowing that way is unacceptable.

Slingin Sammy 33
08-18-2009, 05:16 PM
1. Iraq had nothing to do with the attack on American soil. You cannot fight a war against terrorists on a typical battlefield. The terrorists that attacked the U.S. were sent by a man hiding in Afghanistan. But you are right, Bush had the balls to persuade less intelligent people like you that going into Iraq was what we needed to do. Now before you start questioning my patriotism, realize that I was there. I could argue on and on about the war, but I would rather point out that you’re a hypocrite.A lot more to the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 than links to 9/11.

Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution)

George Tenet (Clinton hold-over) provided the intel to Bush, Colin Powell, Sens. Tom Daschle (sponsor), Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Diane Feinstein, John Kerry, Joe Liberman, Harry Reid, and Jay Rockefeller (Intel Committee) must all be included in the "less intelligent" category too. And Obama must be at least partially included too for voting to approve over $ 300B in funding for the war.

2. You said thanks for telling you how to spend your money. Isn't that what America does every day by telling countries that they cannot invest in their nuclear programs?No. You may want to read up on the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty)

3. You say that I want money for healthcare and I am for abortion. Let’s get one thing straight. I am for healthcare, but nobody is for abortion! There are just people out there that realize that there are circumstances that exist in which abortion is the lesser of 2 evils. If a woman is raped and she does not want to keep a child...I understand. If the mother has 50% chance of survival and the child has zero...I understand. You guys have to stop thinking in terms of it's this way or that way, and realize the grey areas out there.As firstdown mentioned, the VAST majority of abortions are completely voluntary. For those that view abortion as murder, they don't want to be forced to participate or fund abortions through their tax dollars.

4. Only you can prevent narrow mindedness. Do you really think that by adopting universal healthcare that we would actually allow a person into their 90's to just die? We as a society would not allow this. You guys bitch about how much money Obama is spending and how much is coming out of your pocket and you truly believe that the government is just going to take your money let grandma die? That's good old Republican cynicism at its best. Nothing like some good ole hell and damnation preaching! Grandma is going to be OK, so are your son, your father and anyone else. The good news is that there are also going to be people that never had healthcare before that are going to be OK as well.When providing treatment is done via a cost-benefit analysis in terms of "life years", then there will be a reduction in services to the elderly and treatments may not be provided that would either enhance life (hip-replacements, etc.) or prolong life (transplants, etc.). I have first hand experience in watching services to my father be reduced when he was forced to transfer from a private insurance plan to Medicare. So don't be naive, reduction in services to the elderly will happen and happens everyday in the UK & Canada.

Good article from the WSJ:

ObamaCare Will Lead to Rationed Care for Elderly - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574344900152168372.html)

I'm sure you wouldn't want this in the U.S.
Elderly left at risk by NHS bidding wars to find cheapest care with reverse auctions - Times Online (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6401002.ece)

Also, here is some information on the Complete Lives System and by Emmanuel's own words this system "disrciminates against older people". The "death panel" thing is Glen Beck-esque garbage, but the fact is under a Gov't option services to the elderly will be reduced.

Ezekiel J. Emanuel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezekiel_J._Emanuel)

The framework for the cost-benefit decision-making has already been approved in Obama's stimulus bill:

From the link:
Elderly Hardest Hit
Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.
Medicare (http://www.medicare.gov/) now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).
The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.
In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.
Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey - Bloomberg.com (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs)

KLHJ2
08-18-2009, 05:46 PM
1. You were dupped, almost everybody was duped, don't get mad at me. I was pissed that we had to be there for some BS. Once we made the mess though, we had to clean it up.

2. They are not following our rules, so we get all huffy and puffy. Yes they signed a treaty so what. It was only supposed to last 25 years. Then it was extended by a "consensus". Were they part of that consensus? Anyway all you did was support my point. We are trying to tell them what they can and cannot do with Nuclear Energy. Not that it is a bad thing. FYI the U.S. is the workhorse of the U.N.

3. If you read my response to Firstdown then you say that I agree with some his sentiments on abortion. I am stating my POV on the subject. My point of view does not believe that all abortions are OK. On the other hand Rowe VS. Wade had cut down on crime. Did Roe v. Wade Abort Crime? | The American Prospect (http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=did_iroe_v_wade/i_abort_crime)

The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Impact_of_Legalized_Abortion_on_Crime)

4. Don't worry, I will take care of my grandma if Obamacare falters. It's not going to fail. It is a bunch of speculation by a bunch of people who will lose money over the whole ordeal.

firstdown
08-18-2009, 05:52 PM
1. You were dupped, almost everybody was duped, don't get mad at me. I was pissed that we had to be there for some BS. Once we made the mess though, we had to clean it up.

2. They are not following our rules, so we get all huffy and puffy. Yes they signed a treaty so what. It was only supposed to last 25 years. Then it was extended by a "consensus". Were they part of that consensus? Anyway all you did was support my point. We are trying to tell them what they can and cannot do with Nuclear Energy. Not that it is a bad thing. FYI the U.S. is the workhorse of the U.N.

3. If you read my response to Firstdown then you say that I agree with some his sentiments on abortion. I am stating my POV on the subject. My point of view does not believe that all abortions are OK. On the other hand Rowe VS. Wade had cut down on crime. Did Roe v. Wade Abort Crime? | The American Prospect (http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=did_iroe_v_wade/i_abort_crime)

The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Impact_of_Legalized_Abortion_on_Crime)

4. Don't worry, I will take care of my grandma if Obamacare falters. It's not going to fail. It is a bunch of speculation by a bunch of people who will lose money over the whole ordeal.
You say it wont fail because you look at the other goverment programs and see how well they run. Lets look at the post office ops bad choice. How about SS ops bad choice. Lets see what program does the goverment run that has stayed within budget and runs great. Hmmm, nothing. It would stay afloat with the tax payers bailing it out but I think they will need to get a faster clock.U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)

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