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Trample the Elderly 08-20-2009, 11:32 AM Is it possible to have a functional government that doesn't act in it's own best interests?
It's a pretty deep question when you think about it. We could have a totally isolationist foreign policy, no UN, no NATO, etc, but when situations arise where it's COMPLETELY obvious that's the correct move is to meddle in the business of others, do you stay true to isolationist ideals?
If not, where is the line drawn?
The government needs to operate in the interest of the people it represents. It isn't an entity in itself.
Name me some situations where it was obvious to meddle in the affairs of others. Who said isolationist? That's your flawed interpretation of my poistion.
Trample the Elderly 08-20-2009, 11:39 AM Bush positives: - concept of No Child Left Behind
- Tax cuts resulting in 52 consecutive months of job creation
- minimized federal funding of abortion
- Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act
- Global HIV/AIDS funding
- instrumental in expanding NATO alliance
- Roberts & Alito and other strict constructionalist judge appointments.
- consolidated and reformed intelligence sharing
- parts of Homeland Security (agencies under HS should've consolidated more to reduce costs not as much new spending)
- Bush Admin thwarted additional terrorist attempts to attack US citizens/interests.
- Afghanistan (should've had better long term strategy)
- Iraq (actual war well executed, long term strategy not-so-much.) Troop surge worked though.
- Response to early 2000s (Clinton) recession.
- Economic Stimulus Act (mostly tax rebates)
- Do Not Call Act
It's a sad day when the left think those things are conservative. If he had a D next to his name they would've circled the wagons around him and said he was a centrist.
firstdown 08-20-2009, 12:34 PM first, you seem intent on ripping Obama every chance you get. how about you naming some things that your President( Bush) did right? and the B.J. thing with Clinton, you approved of his presidency, other then that?
OK Demek25 I have a positive for Obama. While watching the guys put new windows in my house I thought about the $1500 tax break I will get because of Obama. So his tax break for up grading windows is something he has done well/right. I get a tax break and the window guy gets the job. SS answered the Bush ? for me and no I was not a big fan of Clintons. The one thing with Clinton is that the Rep had control of congress so Clinton could only do but so much.
GMScud 08-20-2009, 12:46 PM Very true...although it's interesting to note that when anyone mentioned how actions taken (or not taken) during the Clinton administration may have impacted the Bush administration that was usually brushed aside. Every president affects future presidents. It didn't just start with Bush/Obama
Yup. Just another point proving that hypocrisy is the most common political trend.
CRedskinsRule 08-20-2009, 02:49 PM One good thing, IMO, is that he got the F-22 canceled.
In my opinion, just like UHC should wait, so should advanced fighters/weapon systems.
jsarno 08-20-2009, 03:12 PM come on and man up. you wanted people to post here with rips towards Obama. just by the way the original thread was worded. and to say that Bush has no bearing on how Obama is doing is down right stupid
That's your choice what you want to believe. I had honest intentions. Just cause I don't like Obama doesn't mean I am not willing to hear about what he has done well. No way is someone completely bad all the time. Everyone has positives, I already explained this. There are blind Obama lovers here which is why my first post displaying my dislike for him wasn't taken well. It really doesn't matter...you can make this about what he has done right, or not...it's completely up to the Obama fans. This thread could be about what he has done right if you were willing to actually make it that way instead of trying to see the negative. If you haven't noticed, I have not attacked ANY of his negatives, in fact I actually stood up for him when someone said "He's not even american".
You can see what you want, I can't do anything about that.
Yes, I dislike Obama.
No, I am not willing to close my ears to the positive he has done.
Yes, it's that simple.
jsarno 08-20-2009, 03:19 PM OK Demek25 I have a positive for Obama. While watching the guys put new windows in my house I thought about the $1500 tax break I will get because of Obama. So his tax break for up grading windows is something he has done well/right. I get a tax break and the window guy gets the job. SS answered the Bush ? for me and no I was not a big fan of Clintons. The one thing with Clinton is that the Rep had control of congress so Clinton could only do but so much.
I got new windows under the Bush administration and they were deducted off my yearly taxes...is that what you are referring to, or was there an actual program to give you a tax break as well as you will get the deductions on your yearly taxes? Or a separation of the two? I am confused on that.
firstdown 08-20-2009, 04:05 PM I got new windows under the Bush administration and they were deducted off my yearly taxes...is that what you are referring to, or was there an actual program to give you a tax break as well as you will get the deductions on your yearly taxes? Or a separation of the two? I am confused on that.
I think the Obama deal is a true tax credit instead of just a write off. For example if I owe 3000 next year before my tax break when its applied I will only owe 1500. Under the Bush plan I really would only save at my current tax rate. So if I claimed 1000 for windows then that is not counted as income and I save 300 if I was at a tax rate of 30%. Under Obama's plan I can write off 30% of the total cost up $1500.
Slingin Sammy 33 08-20-2009, 05:26 PM One good thing, IMO, is that he got the F-22 canceled.
In my opinion, just like UHC should wait, so should advanced fighters/weapon systems.Agree with the cancellation of the F-22, but because it was a very costly program and the Joint Strike Fighter F-35 will be more cost-effective and provide more capabilities than the F-22 and be fully operational within a few years.
Advanced weapons systems are what keeps us free. We can argue politcal views all day long, but it's because of these systems that we keep the right to do that.
CRedskinsRule 08-20-2009, 05:34 PM Agree with the cancellation of the F-22, but because it was a very costly program and the Joint Strike Fighter F-35 will be more cost-effective and provide more capabilities than the F-22 and be fully operational within a few years.
Advanced weapons systems are what keeps us free. We can argue politcal views all day long, but it's because of these systems that we keep the right to do that.
I agree to disagree, not worth going off-topic again. Note, I did not say to abolish forever though.
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