What has Obama done well?

On this note, what would the expectation be for a Catholic president meeting with the Pope? From a starting point, such a meeting would be a meeting of two heads of state (U.S. and Vatican). But, I suppose theoretically, there would be a level of meaning for that particular U.S. president that would transcend politics, and isn't it common for Catholics meeting the Pope to make a sort of gesture? (Kneeling maybe? I honestly don't know.) If it is common for a Catholic to do such a thing, and a president happened to be Catholic and did it, but claimed that it was in his/her "status" as a Catholic, how would people come down on that?

just from the tone of almost all your posts, you might even be above the most arrogant of Americans

I will disagree with you here...he has a tone of someone that is disheartened by what he sees, and now what he is hearing to his responses. He is 100% right about how the president of the USA and commander in chief should act. For anyone that has been in the military, this is pretty obvious. To call him an arrogant american (above the most arrogant to be exact) is a gross misinterpretation. He's offended, as should he should be. If you understood what he understands, you would be too.

As far as UCMJ or punishment for a bow, I've never heard that. However the State Department Office of Protocol and Miss Manners know that the President and any U.S. citizen NEVER bow before a monarch or king.

You can say what you want, but in the Middle East the gesture is seen as making the U.S. sub-servient.


thats right. obama knew what he was doing. he had been going all around, appoligizing(sp) for america. obama hates america, this is why he does such things. remember folks, obama is not an american. he was not born in this country.

one thing Obama has done very well, is to claim crisis at every political opportunity. This is a known political tactic, and not necessarily a slam. By focusing on the "current crisis"(real or created) he can push his agenda through, and by using items that he knows are hot button, he can get momentum on his side. I do think this sets him up for trouble if a true crisis raises up.

Overall, he has pushed his agenda about as well as a President with the majority in both houses could. I am amazed he hasn't gotten his way with health care, but I am not complaining either.

thats right. obama knew what he was doing. he had been going all around, appoligizing(sp) for america. obama hates america, this is why he does such things.

While I tend to agree with you here, although not nearly as matter of fact or blatent as you put it, what you have next is incorrect:

remember folks, obama is not an american. he was not born in this country.

Read this:
snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.? (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp)

Hey, I can understand not wanting him to be american, therefore not eligible for president, but he was born in Hawaii...read that entire article, it will explain it. I thought we went over this like a year ago?
That sounds like Gore..."He didn't win the electoral votes!" Well, like it or not, Bush still won fair and square, as did obama.

I will disagree with you here...he has a tone of someone that is disheartened by what he sees, and now what he is hearing to his responses. He is 100% right about how the president of the USA and commander in chief should act. For anyone that has been in the military, this is pretty obvious. To call him an arrogant american (above the most arrogant to be exact) is a gross misinterpretation. He's offended, as should he should be. If you understood what he understands, you would be too.

What? For someone in the military?? I was in the military too. Loved my country then, love it now. And I still disagree with that point of view. Respectfully.

Why is it that some on the right feel as though they have a monoply on patriotism?

I will disagree with you here...he has a tone of someone that is disheartened by what he sees, and now what he is hearing to his responses. He is 100% right about how the president of the USA and commander in chief should act. For anyone that has been in the military, this is pretty obvious. To call him an arrogant american (above the most arrogant to be exact) is a gross misinterpretation. He's offended, as should he should be. If you understood what he understands, you would be too.
i hear you. but it is still all opinion. and sorry that the only people that really understand respect are military personnel, either past or present.

What? For someone in the military?? I was in the military too. Loved my country then, love it now. And I still disagree with that point of view. Respectfully.

Why is it that some on the right feel as though they have a monoply on patriotism?
do you remember someone saying that if you don't agree with the war, your unpatriotic? what a joke

As far as UCMJ or punishment for a bow, I've never heard that. However the State Department Office of Protocol and Miss Manners know that the President and any U.S. citizen NEVER bow before a monarch or king.

You can say what you want, but in the Middle East the gesture is seen as making the U.S. sub-servient.

Is there some sort of a manual available from the office of protocol for us ignorant citizens that tells us not to bow and whatnot? Or is this an unwritten protocol?

Subservient? Due to a bow by the president? If they want to think us subservient all they need to do is look at their oil fields knowing that we will do anything to get at it and protect it. You know, just maybe they're not all homogeneous in thought and some will think "mashallah, what a respectful man?"

Why is it that some on the right feel as though they have a monoply on patriotism?

I think it's because they really don't understand what patriotism is all about, and so they take the smallest of trivialities and blow them up into the biggest issues. Because, if the President bows to anyone, he must hate America. No wonder these people idolized Bush -- he walked around like the toughest shit on the block, and these people just ate it up.