Ramsey wants to be traded (merged)

we saw what both could do last season, and Ramsey did more with what he had. that much is PROVEN. Brunell may or may not be "healthier" than last season, but i know one thing, he's 36. he certainly won't be our starter next year, and we shouldn't be betting on a temporary solution.

Why not??? Trent Dilfer was a temporary solution.

Why not??? Trent Dilfer was a temporary solution.

so much for bringing stability back to the franchise...

So you don't think Gibbs knows what he is doing? I find that hard to believe.

NO, no....I do believe that Gibbs knows what he's doing.

Awww.....I'm confused as hell now :)

so much for bringing stability back to the franchise...

I'll take stability in the form of Peyton Manning, Michael Vick, or Donovan McNabb. But I don't want stability in the form of Patick Ramsey. Do you really think he's the long-term solution?

Besides, this is a contrived statement. The stability we need so desperately is stability within the coaching ranks. Personell changes from year to year in the NFL, that is one of the only certainties. You need stability in the coaching staff first and foremost. Stability at QB would be great, but neither Ramsey nor Brunell are the answer in that department.

HOF Coach Gibbs went through this with Theisman & Schroeder, Theisman was 5-5 and was doing poorly, then the injury. Rypien & Williams, Rypien was fumble prone, so he inserted Williams. Ryp came back to lead us to the SB the next year. So none of this new.

:dallas: :dallas:

Okay, fine. But Gibbs has essentially brought in two QBs to compete with Ramsey. One via FA and the following year through the draft.
With one being the definite heir appearant.

So even those situations are quite different than the one we have here.

I'll take stability in the form of Peyton Manning, Michael Vick, or Donovan McNabb. But I don't want stability in the form of Patick Ramsey. Do you really think he's the long-term solution?

Besides, this is a contrived statement. The stability we need so desperately is stability within the coaching ranks. Personell changes from year to year in the NFL, that is one of the only certainties. You need stability in the coaching staff first and foremost. Stability at QB would be great, but neither Ramsey nor Brunell are the answer in that department.

i honestly don't know. after last season he convinced me, the team, and Gibbs that he had the potential to be the long term solution. Brunell proved he wasn't, even if he DOES play magically better than last year.

yes, personnel changes are part of the NFL, but putting everything behind one guy, building a team around a "leader", than pulling the rug out from everybody including the team after 20 minutes into the season i think could be classified as 'instability'.

Bring on Jason Campbell. Brunell will never lead us to the playoffs. Ramsey is not going to want to be here or ever feel secure in this town. Why waste time, let's get the rook some experience...

I'm thinking the same thing. We all know his contract is loaded with incentives next year, but who knows this could be his year. We don't know until he gets in there. One thing you can admit he's more comfortable than Brunell and Ramsey in the pocket and is strong as hell when it comes to avoiding the sacks.

i honestly don't know. after last season he convinced me, the team, and Gibbs that he had the potential to be the long term solution. Brunell proved he wasn't, even if he DOES play magically better than last year.

yes, personnel changes are part of the NFL, but putting everything behind one guy, building a team around a "leader", than pulling the rug out from everybody including the team after 20 minutes into the season i think could be classified as 'instability'.

I disagree that Ramsey proved he had the potential to be the long term solution, and Gibbs disagrees as well as shown by the trade to bring Campbell in.

I don't think this is instability, we are arguing over the relative merits of Ramsey and Brunell who are not to be confused with Culpepper and Manning. At the end of the day I think it was the turnovers that doomed Ramsey, Brunell didn't set the world afire with his performance but he made the smart plays that allowed us to win, something that Ramsey has yet to get. I don't particularly care for the move, but I'll wait to see Brunell against the Cowboys before I criticize the move.

Okay, fine. But Gibbs has essentially brought in two QBs to compete with Ramsey. One via FA and the following year through the draft.
With one being the definite heir appearant.

So even those situations are quite different than the one we have here.

Well Humphries was also around during Williams-Rypien wasn't he?

Brunell didn't set the world afire with his performance but he made the smart plays that allowed us to win, something that Ramsey has yet to get. I don't particularly care for the move, but I'll wait to see Brunell against the Cowboys before I criticize the move.

i was with you until this. when did Brunell allow us to win? all his smart play did was allow us to not lose *bad*. Ramsey actually *won* games and sparked our offense with the same bad receivers, line etc.