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jsarno 07-10-2007, 04:45 PM LOL...interesting to read the arguments.
God is all knowing, so he clearly knew what he was doing punishing you for eating the apple. It was your fault that man fell, so you should get the bigger punishment. :D
ps- getting hit in marbles HAS to hurt more than childbirth, it just doesn't last as long. When you have a contraction, you don't close your legs in pain, yet it's the only thing that can take any man completely down...hit hard enough, it can hurt so much that we throw up...and complete paralyzes us albeit breifly.
12thMan 07-10-2007, 04:58 PM LOL...interesting to read the arguments.
God is all knowing, so he clearly knew what he was doing punishing you for eating the apple. It was your fault that man fell, so you should get the bigger punishment. :D
ps- getting hit in marbles HAS to hurt more than childbirth, it just doesn't last as long. When you have a contraction, you don't close your legs in pain, yet it's the only thing that can take any man completely down...hit hard enough, it can hurt so much that we throw up...and complete paralyzes us albeit breifly.
Who said it was an apple?
jsarno 07-10-2007, 05:51 PM Who said it was an apple?
Well, technically the bible says "fruit of the tree". But it is commonly accepted as an apple, and I believe it was called an apple in several different translations, so that's why it is commonly accepted as apple.
FYI- The NIV (the most common version of the bible now a days) does say fruit of the tree.
Lady Brave 07-10-2007, 06:07 PM LOL...interesting to read the arguments.
God is all knowing, so he clearly knew what he was doing punishing you for eating the apple. It was your fault that man fell, so you should get the bigger punishment. :D
ps- getting hit in marbles HAS to hurt more than childbirth, it just doesn't last as long. When you have a contraction, you don't close your legs in pain, yet it's the only thing that can take any man completely down...hit hard enough, it can hurt so much that we throw up...and complete paralyzes us albeit breifly.
Both Adam and Eve failed the test. They were both punished. End of story. We could debate forever who was the biggest screwup.
You will never convince me that a swift kick in the nads is more painful than childbirth. I've never known a man to die from it either, but I do know of women who have died giving birth, my great grandmother being one of them.
70Chip 07-10-2007, 06:15 PM Well, technically the bible says "fruit of the tree". But it is commonly accepted as an apple, and I believe it was called an apple in several different translations, so that's why it is commonly accepted as apple.
FYI- The NIV (the most common version of the bible now a days) does say fruit of the tree.
I prefer the KJV or the NASB. Of course, Adam should have ratted on Eve right away and God would have made him another mo betta woman.
Lady Brave 07-10-2007, 06:25 PM I prefer the KJV or the NASB. Of course, Adam should have ratted on Eve right away and God would have made him another mo betta woman.
The New American Standard is the most accurate English translation, but it can be hard to follow. I like more contemporary versions (New Living Translation). I tried reading "The Message" but didn't like format of it. Plus, some of the language the author uses is lame. It sounds like some old guy trying to be hip and it comes off corny.
As far as Adam ratting on Eve, he should have. That is a prime example of a man not accepting the responsibility of being the spiritual leader of his household.
70Chip 07-10-2007, 06:41 PM The New American Standard is the most accurate English translation, but it can be hard to follow. I like more contemporary versions (New Living Translation). I tried reading "The Message" but didn't like format of it. Plus, some of the language the author uses is lame. It sounds like some old guy trying to be hip and it comes off corny.
As far as Adam ratting on Eve, he should have. That is a prime example of a man not accepting the responsibility of being the spiritual leader of his household.
Absolutely correct.
I agree about The Message as well. It's way over the top in some of the word choices. It makes me cringe a little. I think trying to compete with the KJV is utterly futile. I use the NASB because, as you said, it is the most accurate.
jsarno 07-10-2007, 06:47 PM Both Adam and Eve failed the test. They were both punished. End of story. We could debate forever who was the biggest screwup.
Yup...and our punishment has lasted for life of man and exists everyday! LOL. We were stupid to allow you to decieve us, and we still allow it to this day.
You will never convince me that a swift kick in the nads is more painful than childbirth. I've never known a man to die from it either, but I do know of women who have died giving birth, my great grandmother being one of them.
Women don't die from pain in childbirth...they die from childbirth when complications arise such as bleeding issues, or stroke from high blood pressure (ie: pre ecclampsia / ecclampsia). We were referring to pain factors.
I know I can't convince you of that, but from having similar injuries to female friends of mine (shattered ankle, broken bones etc) and them saying that pregnancy was easier on the pain meter, I can only assume that child birth is not as painful (not that it's not painful...clearly it is very painful) it's just not the MOST painful pain a woman can experience. Seeing is I would rather break a bone than get a swift kick to the nutts, and knowing the male obsession with protecting that area, I can only assume that it does indeed hurt more...but again, for a shorter period of time.
However, I did know a guy that got kicked in the nutts in H.S. and one burst. (I'm cringing right now FYI) He could not move and literally had to be put on a stretcher (he couldn't get on it himself) and taken to the hospital where they had to remove it. He was in constant pain for a full 36 hours before that familiar nutt pain went away. That is an unusual scenario, but this guy had gotten in motorcycle accident about year before that and tore off skin and broke bones, and he said on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the worst, that pain from getting kicked in the nutts was a 21. He couldn't stop crying the pain was so harsh.
jsarno 07-10-2007, 06:49 PM As far as Adam ratting on Eve, he should have. That is a prime example of a man not accepting the responsibility of being the spiritual leader of his household.
LOL...WHAT??? The man tried to protect the woman. Leave it to a woman to twist that loving move.
jsarno 07-10-2007, 06:50 PM Just an FYI LB, I am 100% glad it's you women that have to endure childbirth...I wouldn't want to do it, and I have a lot of respect for those of you that get through it naturally.
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