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#56fanatic 05-03-2011, 09:17 AM I honestly dont believe how everyone can be jumping on McNabb, blaming him for the continued struggle of the QB position in Washington. The common denominator in ALL of QB struggles over the past 8 years has been an ignored offensive line. I would love McNabb to be back in a Redskins uniform next year. He is still a good QB and we can win games with him and in my opinion go deep into the playoffs with him. Anyone can see the offensive line is and has been the reason for our struggles offensively over the years. If we address the line and get it to a "good" rating, McNabb would do wonders here. If Torain can stay healthy, if Jamaal Brown can come into camp healthy, Lickensteigher (SP) is going to be decent, not sure about right guard or center, but damn we should be competative with McNabb at QB.
Side note, Capers, the kid from WVU, should be watched this year. He played in a zone blocking system at WVU where the lineman have to be athletic and able to move north and south as well as east and west. He could be moved to guard and has good size, power and was pretty athletic for a big guy. Will Montgomery should compete for the center position this year, and let rabach be a back up. I just dont think he has the power to defend against these big ass DT in the league anymore.
John Beck??? I dont give a rats ass who is a QB as long as we are winning games. They could bring in Brady Quinn for all I care, as long as we are winning games, i really dont care. Have a feeling though, Sexy Rexy will be back and will probably be our started next year. Which, honestly dont have an issue with. He knows the offense, can throw the ball pretty well, and if we get the offense working, shouldnt be throwing it more that 25 times a game.
McNabb is done here. Last year wasn't all his fault, but he shouldn't go without some blame too.
#56fanatic 05-03-2011, 09:35 AM McNabb is done here. Last year wasn't all his fault, but he shouldn't go without some blame too.
Not saying he doesn't deserve some blame. Some of his pics were bad throws, but majority of them were either tipped by the receivers, or piss poor routes (galloway stands out). He was sacked or hurried as much or more than any QB in the leauge. I agree he is done here, but I dont think it is or should be based on his performance being horrible. I just hope who ever is under center has better protection and a better run game that last year. Torain really ran the ball well last year, problem was he was injured too much.
Lotus 05-03-2011, 09:56 AM Before people jump down their throats remember they might be right. With the exception of 2005 and 2007 every analyst has been right in being critical of the Redskins since this site opened in 2004. I loved the draft class but I also realize I might be blinded from one to many shots of kool aid.
Sure Beck could succeed and fulfill his potential but relying on him (assuming we do) could be just as stupid as drafting 3 pass catchers in 2008 during the second round.
Either way we're still just fans and only have minimal influence (at least in the short term) on the teams decisions so at least in the short term the only thing we can really do is go with the flow.
To me it depends on how the criticism is couched:
a) some analysts have argued, "Who will play QB in 2011?," and downgraded us. That seems like poor criticism. No one in this year's class, it seems, should be an immediate starter, not even my boy Ponder. There just was no Ryan or Bradford in this year's class. So when critics slam us essentially for not picking an immediate QB starter, I think they are off base.
b) conversely, some analysts like Kiper have argued that we failed to take care of the future of our QB situation. These critics appear to be correct.
BigHairedAristocrat 05-03-2011, 10:08 AM This was a very weak QB class to begin with - the same analysts who criticize us for NOT drafting a QB are also criticizing other teams for reaching for QBs too early in the draft. If we had reached for one ourselves, they would be criticizing us for that. These "analysts" get paid for offering an analysis and its far easier to criticize a situation on the suface than it is to actually devle deeper and do a realistic assessment.
unless we used our #10 overall pick on a QB, we likely would not have found a QB who could start and perform better than Grossman/Beck within the next 3 years.
Your wife may say she wants you to get some steak at the grocery store, but if there are only 3 steaks left and they all are expired and putrid, you would be stupid to buy a steak. you know the store is going to get fresh meat in tomorrow, and there will be some good steaks. tonight, you can get the chicken thats buy-one-get one free. tomorrow you can go back to the store to get your wife her steak.
That's what we've done here. This team has too many needs to be fixed in one off-season. Its going to take several years so we might as well replinish our team with the best players we can get at the positions (plural) of need in any given year. next year, hopefully we will have less needs and we can then justify reaching for one particular need if necessary.
Not saying he doesn't deserve some blame. Some of his pics were bad throws, but majority of them were either tipped by the receivers, or piss poor routes (galloway stands out). He was sacked or hurried as much or more than any QB in the leauge. I agree he is done here, but I dont think it is or should be based on his performance being horrible. I just hope who ever is under center has better protection and a better run game that last year. Torain really ran the ball well last year, problem was he was injured too much.
I cannot remember the last time I saw McNabb hit a reciever in stride. As bad as he was (and NO he generally did not get great protecton), he was worse than his numbers would suggest. Our WR had to slow down, stop, break off the route etc just to pull in the ball.
He may work out for somebody else, but he is not the kind of guy we are looking for. He has proven to be a masterful politician, and a mediocre QB who requires things on his terms. I find that unnacceptable. He was treated....surly or so it appears.
Good bye....Good luck, your not our type of guy. LOOK at the type of guy we drafted...........
SmootSmack 05-03-2011, 10:22 AM To me it depends on how the criticism is couched:
a) some analysts have argued, "Who will play QB in 2011?," and downgraded us. That seems like poor criticism. No one in this year's class, it seems, should be an immediate starter, not even my boy Ponder. There just was no Ryan or Bradford in this year's class. So when critics slam us essentially for not picking an immediate QB starter, I think they are off base.
b) conversely, some analysts like Kiper have argued that we failed to take care of the future of our QB situation. These critics appear to be correct.
That's my argument. But hey, I hope I'm wrong about Beck (maybe even Grossman is our future QB) and the offseason isn't done yet
FRPLG 05-03-2011, 10:29 AM I believe this draft class is pretty weak. Almost every one of them was taken higher than they really should have been compared to recent history. I agree we have not taken care of the future at QB. I am not convinced any of the futures offered to us in the draft were worth pursuing.
Next year will be the time to grab a QB of the future.
mredskins 05-03-2011, 11:08 AM Hopefully we get the number one pick next year or someone like CAR (that is set at QB or not willing to draft another QB) has it and is willing to trade. I love to have Andrew Luck.
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