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Longtimefan 05-18-2011, 07:05 PM McNabb appears to take the high road here. It's plain to see however he does not take kindly to the criticism he's been receiving of late.
McNabb: No problem with Beck’s comments - The Insider - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/mcnabb-no-problem-with-becks-comments/2011/05/18/AFcuLZ6G_blog.html)
SmootSmack 05-18-2011, 07:10 PM The idea that John Beck could be an effective starting QB for the Redskins is absolutely ridiculous. That Mike Shanahan would insult my intelligence by attempting to get me to believe in such a fraud offends me.
I simply cannot imagine that the Skins plan to go into next season with Beck as their starting QB. I think that Shanahan is trying to be sly to the point of seeming to be daft. I feel certain that our starting QB for 2012 is not yet on the roster.
I think this sums it up well
Is Shanahan serious about John Beck? - NFC East Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/26805/is-shanahan-serious-about-john-beck)
Dirtbag59 05-18-2011, 07:15 PM The idea that John Beck could be an effective starting QB for the Redskins is absolutely ridiculous. That Mike Shanahan would insult my intelligence by attempting to get me to believe in such a fraud offends me.
I simply cannot imagine that the Skins plan to go into next season with Beck as their starting QB. I think that Shanahan is trying to be sly to the point of seeming to be daft. I feel certain that our starting QB for 2012 is not yet on the roster.
This is one of those cases were preseason games will be most important. However at the very least Beck had a strong preseason in 09 after he reconnected with Cameron, so maybe we'll see a huge improvement in year 2 of the Shanny offense. All the basic tools are there; accuracy, arm strength, quick release, decent mobility, intangibles (toughness, intelligence, hard worker, good teammate). All that remains to be seen is weather or not he can put it all together.
Though I agree with your sentiment that it's not exactly the greatest situation to be in as far as the QB position is concerned. However the way I see it is that McNabb didn't really set the bar very high and we still won six games so with a hungry QB, an improved running game, and a much improved defense we should be able to continue getting better as a team.
Either way, rag tag teams that grind out wins with defense and the running game are fun to follow until you hit the playoffs in which case you have to deal with teams that are equipped with elite QB's and top 15 defenses.
Longtimefan 05-18-2011, 07:16 PM Rex Grossman weighs in on Quarterback Controversy Lite - The Early Lead - The Washington Post (http://wapo.st/ikhLFj)
Longtimefan 05-18-2011, 07:45 PM I think this sums it up well
Is Shanahan serious about John Beck? - NFC East Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/26805/is-shanahan-serious-about-john-beck)
The author admits he's a skeptic and did have this to say which would seem very much in line with those who think Beck could be more than just a smoke-screen. [quote]
It may be that they're resigned to Beck as the best option and figured, after not coming up with a better option via the draft, that they might as well prepare their fans for it. With the chances increasing by the day that part or even all of the season will be lost to the lockout, it may be that Shanahan doesn't think it's worth installing a new quarterback this year. All of those missed minicamp and training camp practices would represent lost opportunities to work with a new guy. Maybe it's best just to sit around for a year and see if you're in position to draft Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck into a full offseason. [unquote]
Let's just hope he does not play the season for Andrew Luck. I know the idea would pacify the many Luck apologist.
NC_Skins 05-18-2011, 07:53 PM Why are people really hating on Beck? The guy was a highly rated talent that hasn't had a decent opportunity to play. This isn't like he's played 3 years and absolutely sucked, much like VY has. (or at least Jeff Fischer thinks so)
Longtimefan 05-18-2011, 08:27 PM Why are people really hating on Beck? The guy was a highly rated talent that hasn't had a decent opportunity to play. This isn't like he's played 3 years and absolutely sucked, much like VY has. (or at least Jeff Fischer thinks so)
He's unproven and his name is not Manning, Brady or Brees. However, I am in favor of a competition, the position shouldn't be handed to him.
SkinzWin 05-18-2011, 09:14 PM He's unproven and his name is not Manning, Brady or Brees. However, I am in favor of a competition, the position shouldn't be handed to him.
Two words. Kyle Orton.
NC_Skins 05-18-2011, 09:51 PM He's unproven and his name is not Manning, Brady or Brees. However, I am in favor of a competition, the position shouldn't be handed to him.
I agree with you. The position should be won out by Beck if he's going to start. Also, Manning, Brady and Brees where unproven until they got their chance as well.
Dirtbag59 05-18-2011, 09:57 PM I agree with you. The position should be won out by Beck if he's going to start. Also, Manning, Brady and Brees where unproven until they got their chance as well.
Belichick even claims that they were tempted to go with Brady coming out of camp the year Bledsoe lost his job, but the only thing that held them back was Tom's inexperience. Take it for what it's worth.
Actually I will say this at Beck. I've been looking at 1st and 2nd round bust the past week and almost all of them it was easy to explain why they failed. Here's what I came up. Remember hindsight is 20/20.
David Carr - Inexperience. Started only two years in a mid major.
Joey Harrington - Sub 60% passer in a west coast offense. That should have been a huge red flag.
Marques Tuiasosopo - Numbers (http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=3923)made fellow Washington Alum Jake Locker look all world. Shouldn't have even been drafted before the 7th round.
Quincy Carter - Numbers (http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=656)make Tuiasosopo look All-World. Completed under 50% of his passes his senior year with a 6:10 TD:Int Ratio
Patrick Ramsey - 2 year starter sub 60% passer.
Byron Leftwish - Had virtually everything. Arm strength, intangibles, production, experience. Even started his career well leading Jacksonville to 9-7 and 12-4 records. However injuries started to pile up, and combined with his slow release and non-existent mobility he lost his job.
Kyle Boller - Lol
Rex Grossman - Well he made it to the Super Bowl but his TD:Int ratio was a little high his final year at Florida. 22:17
JP Losman - Another inexperienced big arm passer with no accuracy.
Alex Smith - Spread QB that didn't start enough games. On one hand probably should have stayed in school on the other hand he's now financially secure.
Jason Campbell - Sorry don't recognize that name.
Matt Leinart - Should have made it. Played enough games, was productive, experienced in a pro style offense. However McShay has said the two biggest reasons for bust are injury and character problems. Leinart fell victim to the latter. Now a days his confidence his shot to hell. Captain Checkdown is an understatement. He's more like Admiral Checkdown or General Checkdown. Maybe President Checkdown.
Okay this is dragging on. I guess Beck might have just been in a bad situation at Miami. On paper he should succeed. He's intelligent, hard working, strong armed (second strongest arm at 2007 combine via radar gun), didn't start his college career as the most accurate passer (56% first year as a starter) but then experienced a quantum leap in years 3 and 4 (64.5 and 69.3). He also worked under Center and started for 3 years. He showed anticipation on throws. He could move enough to buy time.
Basically the only two knocks were he wasn't the worlds tallest QB (6'2) and he didn't play in the SEC. Oh and he was old when he came out.
He basically had everything you look for in a college QB so the only reason I can guess as to why he flamed out in Miami is because he was on one of the worst teams in NFL history. I mean sure he didn't win a game as a rookie but the other Miami QB's combined for 1 win, and Trent Green started 5 games for them that year.
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