Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess

Geez, every businessman...big OR small, corporate CEO or entrepenuer, will face extreme temptation do whatever it takes for "survival", aka find a way to get what is best for his own company.

Yeah it's called competition.

The way I understand it...30 teams agreed to this punishment...so it is 30 vs 2.
The NFL is more of a club than a business.
How can the skins sue?....who are they suing?...the NFL?....they are the nfl?
The 32 owners are the NFL and the commissioner is paid by the owners.
How can you sue yourself?, the players association also agreed to approve it.
This is all legit the way the NFL/players association works.
Collusion is a different call...but you'd have to argue that was done to keep pay down..can't be argued this year since they kept the cap total the same...but could be argued during the non cap year...but think about it, is it really worth it?
Sure the Skins got screwed..but they are going to pay the cap hit they normally would have...the issue I have is a couple others got away with it on a smaller scale....and if you pursue a lawsuit, you will make enemies of those you depend on.
You really dont want the NFL a perpetual enemy of the Skins...think of penalties, fines, scheduling, supplemental draft picks, etc

So in essence none of the owners have to follow the labor laws. The NFL as a group does not have to follow any of the labor laws. The in reality the NFLPA is just a club also and there really is no Union.

Also It doesn't matter when the Collusion accured, the team just would have to prove there was Collusion. If there was no punishment then it would have been difficult for any other owner or the NFLPA to prove that there was Collusion unless an owner came out and admitted it. JJ and DS didn't throw their fellow owners under the bus, they threw themselves under the bus when they decided to force a punishment. They are essentially admitting there was an agreement and these two owners failed to go along with it.

So again the message should be:

It's ok to break the law and for those who choose not to they will be punished.

I dont think the other NFL teams want 2 of their wealthiest and most influential owners being tied at the hip looking to retaliate at some point in the future. The other teams played their hand. Snyder and Jerry seem to have gotten closer and closer. If i were an NFL owner, i would remember the day they made the decision to step on two competitive guys worth a combined $3.1 billion(wiki).

That being said, i cant see this decision being reduced via compromise. Doesnt that incriminate the league further?


What further proof do they need? The League has admitted there was an agreement that both JJ and DS failed to keep with and thats why there is a punishment.

The whole agreement was illegal. The punishment is the justification that there was one.

What I think some are missing is that from some reports all 32 did agree and then 4 decided to do it anyway .

Just to clarify...

32 teams agreed to break the LAW (Collusion against the players).
2 or 4 teams changed their minds and decided not to break the LAW.
and now only 2 teams are getting punished for not doing something wrong, immoral, and illegal?

^that is the message your trying to get across right?

I thought that they knew they had done something wrong and knew a penalty was coming,just not the extent of it or the magnitude of it, at least according to the artical by Mark Maske.

It's one thing to be told hey expect a punishment and .... this IS your punishment. The two owners really couldn't do much until the punishment was handed down. What if there never came a punishment?

Yeah, Jeff Saturday trending on Twitter.

Yeah, Jeff Saturday trending on Twitter.

Is he also planning to sue?

Haha..you know, he should.

Originally Posted by skinsnut
Sure the Skins got screwed..but they are going to pay the cap hit they normally would have...the issue I have is a couple others got away with it on a smaller scale....and if you pursue a lawsuit, you will make enemies of those you depend on.
You really dont want the NFL a perpetual enemy of the Skins...think of penalties, fines, scheduling, supplemental draft picks, etc


Um, who depends on who? I think it's more the NFL depends on these two teams for money to help the less fortunate teams then the two teams depend on the NFL. Maybe these two teams need to drop their ticket prices.... you know because the market is so bad, and drop the price of food at the park.... because you know the market is so bad, and do away with the parking costs. Maybe just maybe they can lower themselves to the bottom half of the league in order to have money handed to them as well.

I like having an actual lawyer who can explain situations like this more properly. I consider myself somewhat cogent on legal matters but nothing short of completely layman. Perhaps my views are as limited as others but it sure seems to me like some people have no concept at all how laws are applied and enforced in our country.

I have wavered back and forth about what I think is the right course of action. At first I felt this was a "grab the pitch forks" type situation. "Burn 'em all the hell." Then I backed into the "we wouldn't definitely win in a lawsuit and it could threaten the sport as a whole. it would be better to appeal to their sense of fairness."

I am back to the "burn the whole village down." Why would a team like Dallas or Washington care if the sport maintained the socialist approach? A law suit could absolutely threaten the very foundation that approach is founded on. In a real free market the Skins buy whatever they hell they want and can afford whenever they want to do it. The other owners have shown that they don't care really about fairness but rather keeping everyone in line. Sounds like how socialism has played out all over the world to me. And so often history has shown that it doesn't last. Those having to continually sacrifice get tired of doing so for everyone else and inevitably work to break the system. To me, the NFL, lit a fire under teams like Dallas and Wash that may end up causing real problems.

100% agree.