Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess

I feel like a moth to a flame in that I open this thread every single time it's new/unread but in the end it's just a rehash.

I love good discussions, but this one is more like two boxers throwing the same jabs round after round with neither one landing a knockout punch.

i agree.. i keep thinking there's an update, but no... it's just SB and hop again.

i agree.. i keep thinking there's an update, but no... it's just SB and hop again.
Same here! I am just waiting for the arbitrator to award us two number ones and a number 2 for all our troubles. Plus give us our cap money back.

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Here is the update we are all looking for.

The Insider - Your daily source for news and commentary on the Washington Redskins, by Mike Jones. - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider)

Here is the update we are all looking for.

Maske used a lot of words to basically tell us there's a hearing and no one knows how it will go.

I feel like a moth to a flame in that I open this thread every single time it's new/unread but in the end it's just a rehash.

I love good discussions, but this one is more like two boxers throwing the same jabs round after round with neither one landing a knockout punch.


I 100% am the same way. I'll agree with other we just don't agree. Our society is based off the "rule of law". Either society/gov is making a law or someone gets into trouble and is brought before a judge or arbitrator to have the issue heard and sometimes based off the issue's in the case the law changes, rules get changed, policy gets changed, and proceedure gets changed.

Here's how I'm looking at it; Goodell tells the teams don't over turn the apple cart. If you turn over the apple cart your going to be severely punished. The Skins and Boys go to the apple cart and pull several apples from the cart and half the apples in the cart spill out onto the ground. Now Goodell says look we warned you. Now your getting punished for over turning the apple cart. When in reality the apple cart was not turned over. So then Goodell says "look we warned you about apples spill out onto the ground". But the two teams are argueing that they in fact didn't turn over the apple cart. Was the out come basically the same? yea I guess one can say the two teams gained a competative edge slightly. I say slightly cause most of those teams spend millions anyway so a few more is no big deal. It's not like all the team only spend 1 mill and the Skins went out and captured 36 mill. Most of the bad teams had 30 something mill or close to it that they never spend anyway. Had they spent their CAP space then there would be no worry about competative edge.

I just posted an article in which the person points out how the teams who underspent gave themselves a competative edge for 2012 to pick up high priced free agents. The Bills did it with the DL guy, Tampa did it with the WR, etc. etc.

But this whole case has flaws.

1- there never should have been an agreement with the owners(collusion)

2- you can't punish for an unwritten rule. you can hope everyone stays to the agreement but if they don't tuff luck. there was a reason the uncapped year was in place and all the owners agreed to it back in the 90's which was to force the two sides to come to an agreement prior to it becoming an uncapped year. they didn't. both sides wanted the uncapped year. doesn't matter the reason there was no CAP high or low.

3- the league never should have approved the contracts.

4- the league never should have waited 2yrs to punish the teams.

5- the type and amount of punishment should have been taken to an owners meeting first in order for all the owners to vote on and agree on.

6- the punishment should never have be for past (2yrs) issue's, it should only have been used on any team who committed the offense from the time the new rule or punishment or policy was put into place.

So if the Arbitrator doesn't have authority as of right now as some would have you believe then maybe after he see's the information he will make precedence and rule on it anyway and another new rule or policy will be added to what the Arbitrator's job is to do. If not then I hope the two teams file in a court of law, make all the other owners worry about loosing their special media rights and possibly being forced to fall under normal business laws and hopefully prior to court they agree to give back all or the majority of the CAP space as a settlement.

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Here is the update we are all looking for.

Thank you , nice updat. But it only hits on what the leagues going to argue. I guess as in any case if there is a request to have the case dropped you have to hear that first prior to hearing any facts about the case. I'd guess the league is going to use up most of the time argueing that it can't be argued. That he has no authority in hearing the case. But one would think if part of the Skins arguement is about proceedure then he should be able to hear it. If its in regards to the reason for the uncapped year and now being punished for not violating the spirit of the uncapped year then he should be able to hear it. Perhaps the fact the league approved the contracts.

The problem is we don't know what the actual arguement the two teams are bringing to the table.

Memory Lane:

During the CBA negotiations and lawsuits, I remember the NFL telling the lower court judge that she didn't have authority to hear the case and how much that ruffled her feathers. At the time, I thought it was quite funny to hear her responses, but ultimately the expedited appellate court found substance in the NFL's claims. We are basically at that same point here. If Burbank says he has authority, then the NFL will appeal it (which is allowed for in the CBA) and the process will continue. Unfortunately, I doubt any resolution to this will be accomplished before the end of this league year, especially since there is no way either side can establish a basis for expedited hearings.

I feel like a moth to a flame in that I open this thread every single time it's new/unread but in the end it's just a rehash.

I love good discussions, but this one is more like two boxers throwing the same jabs round after round with neither one landing a knockout punch.

well said. im very interested in this topic, but everything that could possibly be said about it has been said atleast 10 times. i just want a decision to be reached one way or another so we can move forward.

The Insider - Your daily source for news and commentary on the Washington Redskins, by Mike Jones. - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider)

Here is the update we are all looking for.

Awesome! The penalty that was initiated by the Giants owner against the Redskins and Cowboys will have a hearing to review it in Philadelphia!

Nothing to worry about!

Awesome! The penalty that was initiated by the Giants owner against the Redskins and Cowboys will have a hearing to review it in Philadelphia!

Nothing to worry about!

:eek: lol wtf?? This is worse than King George "For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences" !!!!!!!!!!