RG3 and Gruden?

Not sticking up for Colt by any means, he played like shit. But by everything we've heard, there's a sense of entitlement with Griffin. I think Gruden is tired of all the bs and lit him up in his own press conference. It was wrong, but Griffin obviously needed to be put in his place.

I agree 100% but that comes with giving away a fortune for him.

Also, people love to knock down guys that get a lot of hype.
Bosworth is the first guy that comes to mind.

Colt is bad. Reminds of me the last year we had Brunell, couldn't throw past 20 yards. Tried to dink and dunk teams to death and it just doesn't work.
Colt is Brunell 2.0.

If it were 100% up to Gruden I'd bet Cousins would start over RG3 this weekend.

But let's not pretend the INTs with Kirk weren't a problem, they were. 9 picks in 6 games? That's a season pace of 24. Can't have that.

I don't agree.
If it wasn't 100% up to Gruden, colt would never would've seen the field.
KC moved the ball well and has the best grasp of the offense, he just made 5-10 really bad throws a game.

If Bruce or Dan are in Grudens ear, they don't let Goldenboy take a beating and benching KC does nothing for the team either. They want their guys to succeed.

Right now, I do not see any benefit to the Redskins organization in the HC tearing down RGIII in public or in his putting KC in "the closet" as someone here put it. Gruden certainly crushed their egos but can he and will he build them up again by helping them to become better players? That is the question in my mind.

If it were 100% up to Gruden I'd bet Cousins would start over RG3 this weekend.

But let's not pretend the INTs with Kirk weren't a problem, they were. 9 picks in 6 games? That's a season pace of 24. Can't have that.

He was also on pace for 5000 yards and 32 TDs, but the INTs were definitely a problem. Better numbers than Luck's first 16 starts and 10% higher completion rate. But KC wasn't a first rounder, so he doesn't get 30 plus starts to work things out.

He was also on pace for 5000 yards and 32 TDs, but the INTs were definitely a problem. Better numbers than Luck's first 16 starts and 10% higher completion rate. But KC wasn't a first rounder, so he doesn't get 30 plus starts to work things out.

He was also on pace to never win a game...since he hasn't won a game that he started since his first start.. 'Pace for' is a meaningless stat. Production and results matter and he's not shown that he can be a productive and winning QB.

Let's be honest, no Redskins fan should be trying to defend any of our QBs play this season. It's been abysmal.

Let's be honest, no Redskins fan should be trying to defend any of our QBs play this season. It's been abysmal.

This!

Every aspect of the team has been abysmal.
I think we should all agree that significant changes need to be made.

Handing the ball of to a guy who wasn't there because it was a passing play, handing the ball off the wrong direction. Both McCoy and Griffin don't look much different when it comes to mistakes. Neither guy is very good right now this late in the year guys should know the offense.

That is all coaching

Neither guy knowing the offense this late in the year is "Coaching"?

I see it like this...every QB on the roster ought to know the whole damn play book by now. Whether you're making 6 figures or 7, act like you care & study a little bit.

I'll change my stance if I hear that Gruden brought the "Al Saunders 700-page playbook" along with him or if he's drawing plays in the dirt.

Otherwise, not knowing a play is on the QB in my book.

Neither guy knowing the offense this late in the year is "Coaching"?

I see it like this...every QB on the roster ought to know the whole damn play book by now. Whether you're making 6 figures or 7, act like you care & study a little bit.

I'll change my stance if I hear that Gruden brought the "Al Saunders 700-page playbook" along with him or if he's drawing plays in the dirt.

Otherwise, not knowing a play is on the QB in my book.
THats the problem, no one looks like they know the playbook.
if it was one or two guys, you could blame them but everyone is making mistakes. If the class average is a D, you have to look at the teachers.

It's definitely not a matter of not knowing the playbook, it's a matter of not recognizing what defenses are showing you. Which based on those reads, you should immediately know which targets should become your keys.

It's not a playbook problem, it's an inability to diagnose what they're seeing. So it's the chalkboard sessions that are lacking. Either the teaching is terrible or the QBs are too dumb to get it or they're too gunshy in the pocket from being whacked to think straight.

It's definitely not a matter of not knowing the playbook, it's a matter of not recognizing what defenses are showing you. Which based on those reads, you should immediately know which targets should become your keys.

It's not a playbook problem, it's an inability to diagnose what they're seeing. So it's the chalkboard sessions that are lacking. Either the teaching is terrible or the QBs are too dumb to get it or they're too gunshy in the pocket from being whacked to think straight.

I agree with you. They're not being coached properly. I just want to add "Or they're concerned about getting pulled by the guy who can't seem to decide on a starter."