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over the mountain 12-16-2014, 03:06 PM Gruden gets paid millions to do the job. Its up to Gruden to redesign his playbook if need be, but make it work.
i do think gruden could have done more to adjust to RG3.
gruden has a lot of hubris in his system. a lot of offensive and defensive coaches have total belief in their system.
i think gruden, in his first HC job, wants to run and be judged on his scheme .... not a make shift, hap hazard college style scheme.
i like what i saw from gruden's timing/pass attack scheme the first 10 games or so. the last couple games, i dont think we are even running a scheme.
Bucket 12-16-2014, 03:13 PM If I knew what to do, I'd be a Football head Coach
I'm not, so its not my job to say what Gruden should do, I just know he's not done it and putting in Cousins is not the answer.
You won't turn RG3 into a skilled pocket passer overnight, that will take months, but you can adjust the playbook this week so that on Saturday we can compete.
Gruden gets paid millions to do the job. Its up to Gruden to redesign his playbook if need be, but make it work.
Holy shit. You just dont get it.
YOU CAN'T CHANGE A PLAYBOOK FOR A QB WHO CAN'T ANTICIPATE BASIC ROUTE CONCEPTS. You can't... Read Option was a feather in the cap. Now it's half as effective as it was. Not going to pull lB's up and live 9 routes open across the middle.
Eventually.. You have to be able to throw the ball to WR's with timing. RG3 can't do it..
The only effective gameplan for RG3 is running the ball and HOPING you end up in 3rd and 1-4 for the whole game.
skinsfan69 12-16-2014, 03:36 PM At this point moving forward to next year, Gruden needs to play the best QB that's on the roster. It's not his job to cater to Griffin because Griffin hasn't shown he can run a pro offense. He'll also be going in his 4th year. Yeah they can keep coaching him up, but at some point, the train can't sit on the platform for RG3. I think he's on the team next year cause of the owner, but he's going to be competing.
skinsfan69 12-16-2014, 03:50 PM Cousins has Anticipation?
Did he anticipate 9 Interceptions?
Yeah Cousins sure did great anticipating where the defenders would be when he threw the ball into their hands.
Again, if Gruden is a decent Coach, he'll be able to adjust his offense to play to Griffin's strengths and minimize the weaknesses
If you look at the QB play this year, who ran the offense the best? Who hit more big plays? When was the offense the most explosive? Hands down it was when KC was in there. Now the turnovers kill the team and they lose games. But he also threw a lot of TD's and moved the team. The WR's, which is suppose to be the strength of the team, were more involved. KC needs more coaching and playing time. That's painfully obvious. Is he mentally tough enough? Can he shake the turnovers? That remains to be seen. But he's shown enough that he deserves to be given the chance to compete for the job.
Meanwhile, Griffin in his 5 games hasn't really shown anything. No progress at all. Even jello arm McCoy has AT LEAST shown something. The RG3 hype, the "he needs a special offense" talk, it's old.
Avinash_Tyagi 12-16-2014, 03:56 PM Holy shit. You just dont get it.
YOU CAN'T CHANGE A PLAYBOOK FOR A QB WHO CAN'T ANTICIPATE BASIC ROUTE CONCEPTS. You can't... Read Option was a feather in the cap. Now it's half as effective as it was. Not going to pull lB's up and live 9 routes open across the middle.
Eventually.. You have to be able to throw the ball to WR's with timing. RG3 can't do it..
The only effective gameplan for RG3 is running the ball and HOPING you end up in 3rd and 1-4 for the whole game.
They were able to build a plan for him in 2012, so its doable.
At this point moving forward to next year, Gruden needs to play the best QB that's on the roster. It's not his job to cater to Griffin because Griffin hasn't shown he can run a pro offense. He'll also be going in his 4th year. Yeah they can keep coaching him up, but at some point, the train can't sit on the platform for RG3. I think he's on the team next year cause of the owner, but he's going to be competing.
At the moment Griffin is the best QB Gruden has (Colt is too injured to play and Cousins throws Interceptions left and right)
Avinash_Tyagi 12-16-2014, 04:00 PM If you look at the QB play this year, who ran the offense the best? Who hit more big plays? When was the offense the most explosive? Hands down it was when KC was in there. Now the turnovers kill the team and they lose games. But he also threw a lot of TD's and moved the team. The WR's, which is suppose to be the strength of the team, were more involved. KC needs more coaching and playing time. That's painfully obvious. Is he mentally tough enough? Can he shake the turnovers? That remains to be seen. But he's shown enough that he deserves to be given the chance to compete for the job.
Meanwhile, Griffin in his 5 games hasn't really shown anything. No progress at all. Even jello arm McCoy has AT LEAST shown something. The RG3 hype, the "he needs a special offense" talk, it's old.
Cousins kills the team, that's the problem, who cares if the team moves if it turns over the ball constantly (the only team he beat was the Jaguars, any of the three of them would have beaten the Jaguars).
McCoy would be fine if he were healthy, but he's not.
That leaves Griffin
OnceWeWereKings 12-16-2014, 04:22 PM Here's the thing with 2012....
1. Defenses figured out the gimmicky scheme.
2. It was 2 years ago, and griffin is a shell of what he was that year.
I believe in letting gruden put in whoever he wants seeing that he's the coach. It's his team. Like it or not. Griffin has been terrible for 66% of his info career. I love 2012...but its the past. I don't know who is the answer to this whole debacle. They may not even be on our team yet. And to be honest, I've never seen this much divide amongst fans of the same team. Its a f&!:ing shame. A once glories franchise now has its own fans at each others necks about a first year head coach and a heisman bust.
I do NOT think gruden should have to rewrite his playbook to suit Griffin. If that was the case they should have hired a running back coach for his positio .
Rotten1980 12-16-2014, 04:28 PM Here's the thing with 2012....
1. Defenses figured out the gimmicky scheme.
2. It was 2 years ago, and griffin is a shell of what he was that year.
I believe in letting gruden put in whoever he wants seeing that he's the coach. It's his team. Like it or not. Griffin has been terrible for 66% of his info career. I love 2012...but its the past. I don't know who is the answer to this whole debacle. They may not even be on our team yet. And to be honest, I've never seen this much divide amongst fans of the same team. Its a f&!:ing shame. A once glories franchise now has its own fans at each others necks about a first year head coach and a heisman bust.
I do NOT think gruden should have to rewrite his playbook to suit Griffin. If that was the case they should have hired a running back coach for his positio .
Totes. Shame on Bill Belichick for caving into players and completely reshaping his scheme/playcalling to perfectly fit their skillset. Just terrible, terrible coaching. What's he thinking?!
Rotten1980 12-16-2014, 04:31 PM http://sports.yahoo.com/news/redskins-place-colt-mccoy-injured-200653223--nfl.html
Colt might be more injury prone than RG. Will he be back next season?
OnceWeWereKings 12-16-2014, 04:52 PM Totes. Shame on Bill Belichick for caving into players and completely reshaping his scheme/playcalling to perfectly fit their skillset. Just terrible, terrible coaching. What's he thinking?!
So are you comparing belichik and gruden? Or griffin and Brady? Either way your view parallels griffin. You can take that however you want. We are not New England though. Examples can be given in Snarkey tones, but I still think if they wanted a coach to run the offense griffin way, they should have hired one. They didn't. They hired gruden...knowing the type of scheme he was bringing and what direction he wanted to take it. Playi g to a players strengths is one thing. Throwing your playbook away and rewriting your offense because your quarterback can't see his recievers is another thing all together.
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