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Bro, your source is bill gates funded, liberal org attempting to gaslight the facts

Even from your own source:

In his 2014 memoir, Duty, then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates wrote that he and Biden were “the two primary skeptics” of the raid during national security team meetings that were held in March and April 2011 to debate whether to strike the compound. Gates wrote that “Biden’s primary concern was the political consequences of failure.”

During the fateful meeting in question on April 28, 2011, Gates said “Biden was against the operation.”

Obama stated it previously, Biden told him not to go.

This entire argument strikes me as dumb as fuck. You guys want things to be so black and white.

Why couldn't Joe Biden be against the plan in the beginning and then gradually be persuaded it was for the best (or at least his mind was changed when he realized it was gonna happen with or without his approval)?

Obviously Obama came out and said Biden was against it. But that doesn't mean the night of the raid Biden was pouting in the corner - who's to say he wasn't swayed by the argument that a 60% shot of killing Bin Laden was the best odds they're ever gonna get?

Sometimes it feels like you guys forget you're talking about people, where opinions and feelings can change by the minute. Or maybe you forget because these are career politicians in a political climate where both sides are very dug in - having an open mind means being open to new ideas and your stance changing when new info comes available.

Let's rephrase this - the Supreme Court took the power out of the hands of individual women and gave it to the states.

Let's not. I like mine better.

Agreed.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

I don't see the KS vote as a sign that the Supreme Court "overreached". It's just the opposite. The Supreme Court gave the power back to the states, and the people of KS voted against the regulation of abortion. This is exactly how it is supposed to work.

Slippery slope.

Personal medical procedures are the very core of individual life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Before the SCOTUS went political, the discussion was "when does life begin".

Now its a states rights issue? This was an absurd power grab by republicans and now the SCOTUS is just a means to pass christian based laws that they coundt get passed in legislation.

Fuck christian nationalists ... they put the nail in the coffin of this country.

I hate what the SCOTUS has become .. I hate the non stop cultural war being pushed by conservatives the past 10 years.

We are divided more than ever and its isnt some "both sides" thing neo conservatives would love to have everyone believe. This country is fucked.

Slippery slope.

Personal medical procedures are the very core of individual life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Before the SCOTUS went political, the discussion was "when does life begin".

Now its a states rights issue? This was an absurd power grab by republicans and now the SCOTUS is just a means to pass christian based laws that they coundt get passed in legislation.

Fuck christian nationalists ... they put the nail in the coffin of this country.

I hate what the SCOTUS has become .. I hate the non stop cultural war being pushed by conservatives the past 10 years.

We are divided more than ever and its isnt some "both sides" thing neo conservatives would love to have everyone believe. This country is fucked.

You don’t recognize that Democrats have moved on the Abortion issue from “safe legal rare” to “abortion on demand up moment of birth”?

Boy, slippery slopes indeed.

Next you will tell me a Supreme Court Justice can’t define a woman because she’s not a biologist or men can have babies. Please with the gop culture war…the left been certainly been doing the same

Slippery slope.

Personal medical procedures are the very core of individual life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Before the SCOTUS went political, the discussion was "when does life begin".

Now its a states rights issue? This was an absurd power grab by republicans and now the SCOTUS is just a means to pass christian based laws that they coundt get passed in legislation.

Fuck christian nationalists ... they put the nail in the coffin of this country.

I hate what the SCOTUS has become .. I hate the non stop cultural war being pushed by conservatives the past 10 years.

We are divided more than ever and its isnt some "both sides" thing neo conservatives would love to have everyone believe. This country is fucked.

I think the discussion remains "when does life begin", but yes, now it is a state issue again - as it should be. It has nothing to do with a purported cultural war or Christian nationalists.

I think the discussion remains "when does life begin", but yes, now it is a state issue again - as it should be. It has nothing to do with a purported cultural war or Christian nationalists.

But States have proved they can't handle it .

Oh yeah, which ones?

Oh yeah, which ones?

Off the top of my head - Texas.

Because this story (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/07/26/1111280165/because-of-texas-abortion-law-her-wanted-pregnancy-became-a-medical-nightmare) is not totally unique - now if you are pregnant in Texas and an event happens which basically guarantees the fetus is not going to survive long enough to make it out of the womb - the doctors have to wait until the woman's life is at risk (and the fetal heartbeat is all but lost) before they can terminate the pregnancy. Make it make sense.

I think the discussion remains "when does life begin", but yes, now it is a state issue again - as it should be. It has nothing to do with a purported cultural war or Christian nationalists.

It has EVERYTHING to do with christians pushing their religious beliefs onto all Americans.

There is zero point talking with you or anyone if you arent going to admit that the SCOTUS decision wasnt religious. Justice barrett talks in freaking tongues for fucks sake ....

Fuck christian nationalists and and anyone trying to play the "both sides" card

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Vin Scully, say it again for all the commies in the da back!