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CRedskinsRule 05-25-2010, 11:00 AM I guess its just me as I have never really been very good at standing around watching people as they try to get something done and I usually jump right in. My thinking is the goverment have how many scientist, architects, developers, engineers, etc... so why not pick the best of them and have them down there trying to figure out a way to help stop this leak. The more people we have working on this problem the quicker we will get this thing shut down. Or we can just let BP use their limited amount of people and maybe wait another two months while they drill a new well. I do believe BP is trying their best but having more people working on a solution cannot hurt one thing. Hell they are allready on the pay roll so why not use them.
And I agree with this. I just was saying it doesn't make sense to claim BP would be more interested in siphoning a portion than stopping the whole leak if they were able to. Clearly there must be other scientists/engineers who can be working on this. I tend to believe that both the govt and oil companies have devoted a LOT of capable resources and are trying to develop something to stop the leak, even if we don't hear of every attempt and workgroup out there.
firstdown 05-25-2010, 11:15 AM And I agree with this. I just was saying it doesn't make sense to claim BP would be more interested in siphoning a portion than stopping the whole leak if they were able to. Clearly there must be other scientists/engineers who can be working on this. I tend to believe that both the govt and oil companies have devoted a LOT of capable resources and are trying to develop something to stop the leak, even if we don't hear of every attempt and workgroup out there.
Obama is taking some heat for not doing anything and if he had people trying to develop something to stop the leak they would have said so. We do have man power down there to help clean up but thats about it right now.
CRedskinsRule 05-25-2010, 12:06 PM Politicians are going to take heat regardless. To say Obama is not doing anything is as ridiculous as the accusations against Bush. Nowadays one side or the other will bash the white house regardless of the actions taken. I also disagree that they haven't said so:
“We’re in the early stages of doing that, and we do not have a comprehensive understanding as of yet of where that oil is,” Jane Lubchenco, the NOAA administrator, told Congress on Wednesday. “But we are devoting all possible resources to understanding where the oil is and what its impact might be.”
The administration has mounted a huge response to the spill, deploying 1,105 vessels to try to skim oil, burn it and block it from shorelines.
Yes this is a NOAA official, but my point is that all they can say is we are devoting all possible resources, critics will simply say that's not enough and so on and so on.
Do you know for a fact that NASA engineers are not being pulled over to that problem, or that other military deep sea ships aren't being brought over, I doubt it.
You are the opposite side of impatience as JTF. JTF claims BP isn't doing what he wants, but he doesn't have a clue, and likewise, you want to moan about the government's lack of success, and you can't say what they are really doing.
If any person who witnesses and has responsibility toward ending this leak isn't doing everything that can possibly be done, then that truth will come out, but for now, backseat driving just proclaims a frickin' agenda!
joethiesmanfan 05-25-2010, 12:17 PM Obama is taking some heat for not doing anything and if he had people trying to develop something to stop the leak they would have said so. We do have man power down there to help clean up but thats about it right now.
Nothing much you can do at 5000 feet under water. But that's the point was it necessasry to gamble the gul fo Mexico compared to the amount of oil received. The American people lose the gulf, we deserve to because we risked it so that for BP could profit and minimal affect on gas prices? Same trend, private businesses profit if it goes well and the public's suffers if it doesn't go well. Reminds me of the Iraq War mentality.
CRedskinsRule 05-25-2010, 12:31 PM BP might be able to stop the leak if they stop trying to siphon oil out of it. Seems to me the only solution they have is the relief well. This will stop the leak and oh yeah by the way be another well they can still get oil from. If they seal it it is only temporary until the relif well is made. Seems to me they are not considering closing the well for good. Any solution they come up with has an oh yeah they are still gonna be trying to get that oil.
Nothing much you can do at 5000 feet under water....
You guys with frickin agendas or framework mentality crack me up.
over the mountain 05-25-2010, 12:50 PM I guess its just me as I have never really been very good at standing around watching people as they try to get something done and I usually jump right in. My thinking is the goverment have how many scientist, architects, developers, engineers, etc... so why not pick the best of them and have them down there trying to figure out a way to help stop this leak. The more people we have working on this problem the quicker we will get this thing shut down. Or we can just let BP use their limited amount of people and maybe wait another two months while they drill a new well. I do believe BP is trying their best but having more people working on a solution cannot hurt one thing. Hell they are allready on the pay roll so why not use them.
watched a news segment on the oil disaster the other night.
seems, like alot of us have said on here, the gov't has said they do not have the equipment or expertise to deal with an underwater oil eruption.
what i dont get and what the news touched on is, now that the oil is reaching the coast, why cant the gov't, private sector and local communities work to clean up and deal with the oil coming near the coast and let BP deal with the underwater situation?
they interviewed some locals who said they wish they could get the green light to start their own clean up project but, as of then, BP was in control of the coastal clean up as well and the communty couldnt take any action? that just doesnt sound right.
firstdown 05-25-2010, 12:54 PM Nothing much you can do at 5000 feet under water. But that's the point was it necessasry to gamble the gul fo Mexico compared to the amount of oil received. The American people lose the gulf, we deserve to because we risked it so that for BP could profit and minimal affect on gas prices? Same trend, private businesses profit if it goes well and the public's suffers if it doesn't go well. Reminds me of the Iraq War mentality.
I guess you must walk everywhere, use candle power, no electricity, etc... wait you use a computer which uses power from oil. Those plastic parts are also a product from oil. If you feel so strong against drilling for oil then stop using products of oil.
dmek25 05-25-2010, 01:06 PM that's like saying you don't like big gov't, so don't use the police, or fire fighters. come on first. you ever mail any letters?
SolidSnake84 05-25-2010, 01:07 PM You make it sound like BP is delaying operations just because they can. That may be, I have no clue, but I would ask, why would they not move heaven and earth to close that spill as fast as possible? Every drop that flows out only costs them more in every considerable way that I can think of.
As for the govt not having the expertise, that might be true, but certainly they could, if necessary, get other oil companies with similar expertise involved.
There is no easy answer to this tragedy. I hope BP/Govt is doing everything possible to stop the flow as quick as possible.
Just now logged back on. My answer to this question, is that BP has no sense of urgency because let's face it, they are the biggest oil company in the world. They answer to no one. and sadly this disaster is not going to make them sweat one drop. Here's why:
#1) They will recover any lost $$ relatively quickly when the price of oil goes back up.
#2) They have a cozy relationship with the US gov't.
#3) will their public image be hurt? Yes, but who cares because its not like BP is going to go out of business over this.
#4). The gov't is trying to pass a 33 cent tax per barrell of oil right now, to help "ease" cleanup costs. The taxpayers will pay this at the pump, which is essentially bailing out BP for their F**k Up.
I trust BP about as much as I trust the Gov't.
CRedskinsRule 05-25-2010, 01:35 PM Just now logged back on. My answer to this question, is that BP has no sense of urgency because let's face it, they are the biggest oil company in the world. They answer to no one. and sadly this disaster is not going to make them sweat one drop. Here's why:
#1) They will recover any lost $$ relatively quickly when the price of oil goes back up.
#2) They have a cozy relationship with the US gov't.
#3) will their public image be hurt? Yes, but who cares because its not like BP is going to go out of business over this.
#4). The gov't is trying to pass a 33 cent tax per barrell of oil right now, to help "ease" cleanup costs. The taxpayers will pay this at the pump, which is essentially bailing out BP for their F**k Up.
I trust BP about as much as I trust the Gov't.
Look, I am not going to say I trust BP, and I certainly don't trust the Gov't. BUT, they are losing money due to this spill, will they still make a whole helluva lot, yes, but it's ridiculous to assume that BP sees any type of gain by letting this spill go on any longer than necessary. All 4 of your points have basic validity, but even with all of that, any company that has a major accident, is going to do what it can to get the accident site fixed and productive again.
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