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mooby 07-15-2017, 12:42 AM Well. Here we are the final weekend of negotiations for KC and the Skins. Bruce Allen can earn his money if he gets it right. I am still feeling optimistic that they get a deal done. It just is not rocket science.
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I ain't tryna be no debbie downer or nothin, but he's had 7 years to earn his money. If KC gets signed, congrats BA, you bought yourself some time. If he doesn't get signed BA can go fuck himself with a rusty spoon. You ain't sniffin the Lombardi in 2017+ if you don't have a reliable qb at minimum. I guess these last 2 years made people get amnesia about the previous 25.
FrenchSkin 07-15-2017, 03:31 AM My concerns are this.both O coordinators that Kirk has had (mcvay and Young Shanny) have both been hired as head coaches..which tells me folks around league really think high of them..so Kirk had the luxury of having two world class O coordinators and one could argue a very very good if not elite WR/TE group ..Gruden likes the short high percentage play so all in all there were many factors involved in Kirks success ..I have watched every snap Cousins has ever played for Skins and I am not sure who Cousins is..could he be great? sure but I also believe a lot of his success was coaches/system/players etc.. To make him the highest paid QB would be a stretch in my opinion..why would he not play for 20 million a year for 5 year deal with a bonus clause that every year the team wins 10 games he gets 5 million bonus.. is that not the goal to get in the playoffs?? once in anything can happen. So if Cousins is so dang sure of himself he should be able to get skins into playoffs say 3 out of next 5 years..that would be 115 million dollar deal. sounds like to me he wants out and test the market ..serves him right if he ends up on a crap team like Cleveland,jets,49ers,rams ...
Correction: "to make him the highest paid QB for one season"
Next year plenty of QBs will have new contracts...
And by the way, is Derek Carr really the best QB in the league? I don't think so. He was just in a position to get this money, and word is he could have asked for more!
Contracts aren't grades, it's not a ranking, they are the result of a business negotiation, in a market.
KI Skins Fan 07-15-2017, 08:54 AM My concerns are this.both O coordinators that Kirk has had (mcvay and Young Shanny) have both been hired as head coaches..which tells me folks around league really think high of them..so Kirk had the luxury of having two world class O coordinators and one could argue a very very good if not elite WR/TE group ..Gruden likes the short high percentage play so all in all there were many factors involved in Kirks success ..I have watched every snap Cousins has ever played for Skins and I am not sure who Cousins is..could he be great? sure but I also believe a lot of his success was coaches/system/players etc.. To make him the highest paid QB would be a stretch in my opinion..why would he not play for 20 million a year for 5 year deal with a bonus clause that every year the team wins 10 games he gets 5 million bonus.. is that not the goal to get in the playoffs?? once in anything can happen. So if Cousins is so dang sure of himself he should be able to get skins into playoffs say 3 out of next 5 years..that would be 115 million dollar deal. sounds like to me he wants out and test the market ..serves him right if he ends up on a crap team like Cleveland,jets,49ers,rams ...
The only decision to be made here is a decision on the player. I think Dan Snyder would gladly pay market rate for a QB he truly believed could take his team to the Super Bowl.
I feel that if the Redskins, like you, are still not sure about him after all these years, then they should force themselves to make a "no" decision, trade him and move on. Unlike you, they don't have the luxury of not making a decision on him. They should not risk strapping themselves with a huge contract for the wrong player. Teams that are stuck in the middle of the road on a QB decision eventually get run over.
The very idea of wanting to pay Kirk mid-tier money because they think he ranks as a mid-tier QB works against the primary team goal of winning a Super Bowl. They must not get confused by the numbers. It's all about the player.
I would have no problem with a definite "yes" or a definite "no". I would have a big problem with a continuation of "maybe".
skinsfan69 07-15-2017, 01:25 PM true to a point . . . but one of the check boxes are for how a player does in clutch situations, or big games . . . and cousins has not shown that his is a clutch performer . . . he doesn't rise to the occasion . . . and IMO, that is a big part of the contract, so yes, that definitely weighs on the front office' minds
Exactly.
mredskins 07-15-2017, 02:08 PM The problem with losing cousins isn't so much losing but the drop off of talent below him. If he is level 7 say, the next available level is 4 currently in the NFL. This league really is hurting with quality of qp play.
FlyerSkin 07-15-2017, 02:25 PM The problem with losing cousins isn't so much losing but the drop off of talent below him. If he is level 7 say, the next available level is 4 currently in the NFL. This league really is hurting with quality of qp play.
I agree. Thing is the major college programs have to really simplify their offensive schemes for the boneheads that they recruit or the system just won't work in the NFL where the speed between the offense and defense are at a parity.
skinsfan69 07-15-2017, 02:49 PM The problem with losing cousins isn't so much losing but the drop off of talent below him. If he is level 7 say, the next available level is 4 currently in the NFL. This league really is hurting with quality of qp play.
I don't think the dropoff between Kirk and Colt is drastic. We could still win games with Colt in there.
sdskinsfan2001 07-15-2017, 06:08 PM When I watch the Skins I always listen to Jesus Take the Wheel.
Lolol. I'm in love with Carrie Underwood. I want her to take my wheel.
sdskinsfan2001 07-15-2017, 06:10 PM Wonder if Cousins would take a 4 year extension at his franchise tag amount, with all his money still guaranteed this year and half the next 4 also guaranteed. So that would be approximately 96 more million with 48 more million guaranteed.
sdskinsfan2001 07-15-2017, 06:26 PM If Cousins is not signed Monday, I'd trade is sorry ass for the highest pick anyone will give us on Tuesday. #colttrain
If we do resign him, I love him and he's my favorite player in the NFL.
Now that Garcon is gone I have to pick a new fav Skins (favorite NFL) player. I'll make this choice on Tuesday.
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