Come up with a new name for the Redskins

It’s because evidently Anyone who ever loved the redskins (millions of fans worldwide of every Race , creed etc) really did not know we were all Racist at heart … 🙄… it took a very small group of Woke individuals to wake the rest of us up … hmmmm ..that is what they would like us to believe .. I ain’t buying ! Truth is it’s a movement that for now they are winning and as we saw with Cleveland other teams will cave .. what Nobody has yet to tell me is this … Is using the word Indian wrong ?? Yes or no is the word Indian a slur? Maybe the dictionary needs to be updated and a lot of words need to be banned … let’s just ban and tear down and sweep under the rug anything that somebody else could deem offensive.. it’s over and I’m cool with new name whatever but if you think this really changed anything ..there is a long list of teams now who need to change their name, look , image … even names of cities, towns counties need to be looked at .. even people’s names need to be looked at .. and to think that just about everyone that is a member of this forum for years held the redskins close to heart and finally woke up 😳.. is the word Indian a slur ?

It’s because evidently Anyone who ever loved the redskins (millions of fans worldwide of every Race , creed etc) really did not know we were all Racist at heart … 🙄… it took a very small group of Woke individuals to wake the rest of us up … hmmmm ..that is what they would like us to believe .. I ain’t buying ! Truth is it’s a movement that for now they are winning and as we saw with Cleveland other teams will cave .. what Nobody has yet to tell me is this … Is using the word Indian wrong ?? Yes or no is the word Indian a slur? Maybe the dictionary needs to be updated and a lot of words need to be banned … let’s just ban and tear down and sweep under the rug anything that somebody else could deem offensive.. it’s over and I’m cool with new name whatever but if you think this really changed anything ..there is a long list of teams now who need to change their name, look , image … even names of cities, towns counties need to be looked at .. even people’s names need to be looked at .. and to think that just about everyone that is a member of this forum for years held the redskins close to heart and finally woke up 😳.. is the word Indian a slur ?

I’ll try to find the article….but UW Madison took a huge black rock off campus because someone complained because they heard a rumor that 175 years ago a few people called it n*** rock and they were offended. So rocks are racist too and cause people emotional harm. 🤦*♂️

This again ...

Would you call a NA a "redskin" to his or her face?

No? You wouldnt?

okay then.

This again ...

Would you call a NA a "redskin" to his or her face?

No? You wouldnt?

okay then.

So what do you say to the Natives who are fans of the team because of the name and the logo and they say yes this is us. We are red skinned people. That’s how we were created. And yes I have had this happen. Every Native American I’ve met is a fan of the team because of the old name and logo.

I know one thing, Monkeydad would not call Adam Humphries, “Humpy” to his face

When I look at the research on Native American imagery on the impact on Native American youth it is eye opening. That being said most of the problems were at the high school level and college level where a student would come out dressed up in a costume caricaturizing tribal culture and scalping the opponent at a pep rally or using the logo of the university on a t shirt depicting the mascot getting drunk for a frat party.

This again ...

Would you call a NA a "redskin" to his or her face?

No? You wouldnt?

okay then.

Would you tell 91% Native Americans that their opinions don't matter? Wait I guess you and along with your woke compadres actually did.

When I look at the research on Native American imagery on the impact on Native American youth it is eye opening. That being said most of the problems were at the high school level and college level where a student would come out dressed up in a costume caricaturizing tribal culture and scalping the opponent at a pep rally or using the logo of the university on a t shirt depicting the mascot getting drunk for a frat party.

So? People do something like that to all kinds of other groups. It’s not evil. Hell I’m a well off smart guy who is white and Republican and was in the Army. I get called all sorts of stuff and people make all kinds of stereotypes about me and the world goes on. This whole bit of every word and action is inherently evil has just reached beyond stupid proportions.

Would you tell 91% Native Americans that their opinions don't matter? Wait I guess you and along with your woke compadres actually did.

To get this number, the Post’s polling team questioned 504 self-identified Native Americans from all 50 states. Given that I have 50 first cousins who are enrolled in the Navajo and Yankton Dakota Sioux Nations, none of whom likes the team name, I found the results to be curious. When I looked more closely at the methodology of the poll, I was appalled.

First and foremost, the Post states clearly that they did not verify the actual Native American identity or tribal enrollment of its respondents. Unlike most “minorities,” non-Native Americans have often declared themselves Native American with little or no factual evidence or cultural connection whatsoever. Furthermore, 56 percent of those asked said they were not part of any tribal nation or could not name what tribe their ancestors claimed. Imagine asking 500 white Americans for an opinion about Europe and not caring that more than half had no connection to their ancestors’ place of origin.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/on-the-shameful-and-skewed-redskins-poll/

In 2016, the Washington Post published a poll about whether Native Americans found the Washington Redskins’ name offensive. Ninety percent of respondents said they were not offended by the team’s name. The poll has since been used by Dan Snyder and other team owners as evidence that their Native American mascots are inoffensive.

But a new study from academics at the University of Michigan and UC Berkeley contradicts that data. In a scientific survey of more than 1,000 Native Americans, roughly half of the participants said they were offended by the Redskins’ name. Moreover, 65 percent said they were offended by sports fans performing a “tomahawk chop,” and 73 percent said they were offended by fans imitating Native American dances.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/02/21/a-new-study-contradicts-a-washington-post-poll-about-how-native-americans-view-the-redskins-name/



When you look into the Wash Po survey .. theres holes and its paper thin.

I posted a bunch of citations like 40 pages back on the problems of people "self identifying" as NA for various reasons.

When half the 504 people the Wash Po surveyed couldnt even lie or think of a single tribe to claim ancestry to ....

its like everyone claiming some irish lineage on St Patricks Day.

To get this number, the Post’s polling team questioned 504 self-identified Native Americans from all 50 states. Given that I have 50 first cousins who are enrolled in the Navajo and Yankton Dakota Sioux Nations, none of whom likes the team name, I found the results to be curious. When I looked more closely at the methodology of the poll, I was appalled.

First and foremost, the Post states clearly that they did not verify the actual Native American identity or tribal enrollment of its respondents. Unlike most “minorities,” non-Native Americans have often declared themselves Native American with little or no factual evidence or cultural connection whatsoever. Furthermore, 56 percent of those asked said they were not part of any tribal nation or could not name what tribe their ancestors claimed. Imagine asking 500 white Americans for an opinion about Europe and not caring that more than half had no connection to their ancestors’ place of origin.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/on-the-shameful-and-skewed-redskins-poll/

In 2016, the Washington Post published a poll about whether Native Americans found the Washington Redskins’ name offensive. Ninety percent of respondents said they were not offended by the team’s name. The poll has since been used by Dan Snyder and other team owners as evidence that their Native American mascots are inoffensive.

But a new study from academics at the University of Michigan and UC Berkeley contradicts that data. In a scientific survey of more than 1,000 Native Americans, roughly half of the participants said they were offended by the Redskins’ name. Moreover, 65 percent said they were offended by sports fans performing a “tomahawk chop,” and 73 percent said they were offended by fans imitating Native American dances.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/02/21/a-new-study-contradicts-a-washington-post-poll-about-how-native-americans-view-the-redskins-name/



When you look into the Wash Po survey .. theres holes and its paper thin.

I posted a bunch of citations like 40 pages back on the problems of people "self identifying" as NA for various reasons.

When half the 504 people the Wash Po surveyed couldnt even lie or think of a single tribe to claim ancestry to ....

its like everyone claiming some irish lineage on St Patricks Day.

You’re trying to force your view of what you think a Native American is on people. Many tribes consider you a Native if you have any Native blood in your ancestry. You think a person is Native only if they are 100% but that is not the case.