Who is Kirk Cousins?

Oh to be sure there are tons of double standards/double think when it comes to Jay's "development" of the QBs here. Especially in this forum where many of the most vociferous Cult of Kirk proponents spout. There is an understandable lack of objectivity because fans generally want the coach, team and FO to be right when they make decisions. Therefore there is an intrinsic urge to believe in what the franchise is doing. We want Kirk to be the guy because he's the guy the HC chose. And because we want him to be the guy some overlook flaws or anoint him as a higher tier QB then he's proven.



The Griffin situation here, to me, is an example of manufactured disapproval. It reminds me of Al Davis-Marcus Allen, except with modern viral back channel sports media sources/leaks.

But its all moot though, regardless of Griffin's superior talent/potential and production right/wrong/indifferent the HC here chose Kirk.



Back to Kirk. He does have arm talent/overall physical talent limitations compared top guys. But, he can be a productive QB in this offense. For me he's just shy of the Fitz right now and has the potential to be a Schaub (in Houston). And I think Scott will be more prudent then to give Kirk a Tannehill type deal.


Wow. So Griff, alot like HOF'er Marcus Allen, was railroaded and it has nothing to do with the absolute horrid play we have seen in both pre and regular seasons dating back to 2013? KC has not flat out earned the job? Ok. Also if Fitz was on this team you would bench Kirk in his favor? If you think Fitz is better rite now I can only imagine that would be the next logical step? SMFH.

Wow. So Griff, alot like HOF'er Marcus Allen, was railroaded and it has nothing to do with the absolute horrid play we have seen in both pre and regular seasons dating back to 2013? KC has not flat out earned the job? Ok. Also if Fitz was on this team you would bench Kirk in his favor? If you think Fitz is better rite now I can only imagine that would be the next logical step? SMFH.Lol, yeah because that what I wrote right?

Arm strength to me is the most overrated thing about being a great QB. Newton is now in his 5th year as a starter, and is finally starting to learn how to be a passer. Not a thrower but a passer.

There are so many guys in the HOF and guys that are going to the HOF that don't have arms like Cam Newton. I want a passer first, not a thrower. I think KC is a passer first and not a thrower. He just needs to keep playing and getting more experience, and stay in the same offense.

Oh to be sure there are tons of double standards/double think when it comes to Jay's "development" of the QBs here. Especially in this forum where many of the most vociferous Cult of Kirk proponents spout. There is an understandable lack of objectivity because fans generally want the coach, team and FO to be right when they make decisions. Therefore there is an intrinsic urge to believe in what the franchise is doing. We want Kirk to be the guy because he's the guy the HC chose. And because we want him to be the guy some overlook flaws or anoint him as a higher tier QB then he's proven.

The Griffin situation here, to me, is an example of manufactured disapproval. It reminds me of Al Davis-Marcus Allen, except with modern viral back channel sports media sources/leaks.
But its all moot though, regardless of Griffin's superior talent/potential and production right/wrong/indifferent the HC here chose Kirk.

Back to Kirk. He does have arm talent/overall physical talent limitations compared top guys. But, he can be a productive QB in this offense. For me he's just shy of the Fitz right now and has the potential to be a Schaub (in Houston). And I think Scott will be more prudent then to give Kirk a Tannehill type deal.

Are you seriously, with a straight face going to compare the two situations? Allen was benched cause it was personal w/ Al Davis. Griffin was benched for performance.

Allen was one of the most respected and well liked guys on the team. Not to mention he was a truly GREAT player. Just not the case with Griffin.

Also. you keep mentioning Griffin's superior skill set. And he is probably better than KC in a combine setting. But when it actually comes down to dropping back with an actual pass rush, that's where KC is and has always been better.

Rg3 will get his chance next yr, imo he's never going to be a good passing QB, he just doesn't have that gift.

The problem with the Griffin vs. Cousins debate is that most people have to be so extreme in one direction or another. Me personally, regardless of what I felt Robert's potential could have been post-2013, I have let it go and am willing to move forward with Kirk as long as he is signed to a reasonable amount and he isn't paid like a Top QB. My fear right now is that because the market for QB's is so starved we will either have to overpay him or see him starting for someone else next year.

Griffin wasn't bad in 2013. I am not sure why people keep saying he was. He was a typical 2nd year QB that the league adjusted to, not to mention he was playing with a brace on his knee to protect an injury that likely wasn't healed so you can even argue he should have never been on the field until mid-season to begin with. His passing stats however weren't bad. There is no doubt in my mind that when his knee got wrecked it did more to him than take away his ability to run and escape pressure. You talk to any player who has had to have reconstructive surgery and they will tell you it takes pretty much a season of playing on the repaired body part to strengthen it again and build your confidence mentally that you can once again fully use it.

Fast forward to 2014 and it seemed from the outside that Gruden was brought in to help develop Griffin but pretty much early on gave up on that idea for whatever reason and was looking to move on from Griffin asap. So do I think Griffin got a bit rail-roaded? Sure. I don't think it was personal though. I think it was a football decision as Gruden runs a WCO and felt that Griffin was not the best QB on the roster to run it.

Now, that's a completely different issue as to whether once Kirk was named the starter, if he went out and earned the right to stay the starter which IMO, he has and should be starting for us at least for the next couple of seasons. He has earned that right regardless and despite however you feel about the Griffin situation.

It's not really a Kirk vs. Griffin situation, it's a clown car organization issue that until very recently, never seemed to handle anything correctly.

Lol, yeah because that what I wrote right?


Yeah that's exactly what you wrote. Stand by your post. You said that Griffs situation is like Marcus Allens and that its personal. Completely insinuating that Cousins has not outplayed Griff on the field and earned the job. How the hell else can that be interpreted? You also said that u think KC is rite below Fitz. If u think the guy is a better qb than obviously you think he should start if he were on the team. If Brady or Cam or several other qb's were on our team that i think are better than Cousins than your damn straight they should start. Fitz isnt even remotely in that argument imo.

Yeah that's exactly what you wrote. Stand by your post. You said that Griffs situation is like Marcus Allens and that its personal. Completely insinuating that Cousins has not outplayed Griff on the field and earned the job. How the hell else can that be interpreted? You also said that u think KC is rite below Fitz. If u think the guy is a better qb than obviously you think he should start if he were on the team. If Brady or Cam or several other qb's were on our team that i think are better than Cousins than your damn straight they should start. Fitz isn't even remotely in that argument imo.Lol, from this post it appears you struggle with what the words 'exactly' and 'insinuate' mean. But, you don't need me to spin yourself in circles. By all means continue. It amuses me.

Btw, after you get done chasing your tail maybe you could post Fitz vs Kirk this year? Or not, either way makes no difference to me.

Cheers!

Lol, from this post it appears you struggle with what the words 'exactly' and 'insinuate' mean. But, you don't need me to spin yourself in circles. By all means continue. It amuses me.



Btw, after you get done chasing your tail maybe you could post Fitz vs Kirk this year? Or not, either way makes no difference to me.



Cheers!


I dont give a hell about their numbers. Ill just strait up tell you that if they were both on the redskins rite now that KC would be the starter if it were up to me. And you can split hairs about my word choice or my supposed lack of understanding the two words. Dont care. What you said and than didnt say is all there in black and white. And what you exactly insinuated is that Fitz would be starting for us, and Griff is not starting because Jay does not like him even though he is the superior qb based on performance ability and blah blah blah.
I simply disagreed. Than you tried to back track and act as if u did not say such things. Again....stand by your posts, no matter how silly they are.

Are you seriously, with a straight face going to compare the two situations?Yes.

Obviously, very few situations are exactly alike but for me their situations have common elements.
If you're really interested in what I think those common elements are feel free to PM. But is this thread really the place for that?

Also. you keep mentioning Griffin's superior skill set. And he is probably better than KC in a combine setting. But when it actually comes down to dropping back with an actual pass rush, that's where KC is and has always been better.We don't need to re-hash this. It seems many like to pretend that Griffin's rookie year didn't actually happen....but it did. And his superior talent, potential and production were on display.

Now do you want to quibble over old stuff where we disagree or acknowledge common ground where we agree that Kirk is better in this offense with Jay?