Who is Kirk Cousins?


HailGreen28
10-31-2015, 07:50 AM
Who is Kirk Cousins?

Right now he's Nick Foles. Maybe he can be like Trent Green or Brad Johnson. LMAO at comparisons to Peyton and Brady.

JoeRedskin
10-31-2015, 12:32 PM
I asked you about that and you said that a 2:1 good to bad games ratio wasn't good enough. In your latest post you say that he shouldn't be signed unless he plays "great" the rest of this season. Great? Is that all you want? Just for him to become great right away? You are more inconsistent than Kirk.

Well, you are consistent in that Kirk can't play well enough to suit you even if he wins Offensive Player of the Week.

I would suggest I have been entirely consistent in my position. Here is the prior conversation:

I want at least two or three games of consistent good play - meaning: 1) No bonehead INT's; and 2) consistent accuracy with his passes.

... Would you say he's getting there if he can produce two or three good games in a row with one or two poor games in between the good ones? (my emphasis)

Not really. To me, that's his current MO.

Here is the quote to which my 2:1 comment was responsive:

... My eyes tell me he has made some strides this year in the mental aspect of his game after he makes mistakes. But what they also tell me is that he has yet to put together back to back good games, he has yet to play a good game on the road and he his good games are in the middle of multiple bad games. BOTTTOM LINE the jury is still well out on him and until consistent play is accomplished I don't feel he is the future.

My eyes are seeing the exact same thing.

Not looking for him to be flawless, just looking for the good games to be about a 2:1 ratio of good games to the bad ones. Consistently.

If KC has one or two good games for every one or two bad games he is just the same old KC. If he strings two or three good games on either side of a SINGLE bad game, then I think he has shown significant improvement. With nine games to go, if he has only two "bad" games, that's improvement. He doesn't have to be great or even good in the rest, just no bonehead interceptions and decent accuracy.

BTW, what have you got in mind for Plan B if Kirk isn't re-signed?

Honestly, don't know. Don't know who is likely to be available. My responses have been to the question "Who is KC" not "If you don't think KC is next year's QB, what's the plan?"

KC may be the best option for next year, but to me that's a entirely different question from who he is NOW. To me, he is the same guy he has been for the last THREE AND A HALF YEARS. Decent game, good game, dear-god-how-he-still-be-in-the-league game, less than good game, really good game. All mixed in together.

You see something that makes you think he can change that. Okay, fair enough. I don't. At the same time, he may end up be being the best option for next year.

JoeRedskin
10-31-2015, 12:36 PM
Not saying he's arrived cause he hasn't, but KC is better than Griffin. Period.

Other than 30gut, please point to anyone suggesting, at this point, who is saying RGIII is a better option than KC?

Also, can we drop the "young QB" crap please. He's 27, midway through his 4th year in the league. At some point the "not enough starts" argument is just tiresome. He has played enough and been in the league long enough to make an evaluation. Throughout his career, he has been consistently inconsistent.

I would love to be wrong. I would love for the guy to flip some switch that entirely alters the way he has been playing. Just not getting my hopes up based on how he has played for the last three years and a half years.

KI Skins Fan
10-31-2015, 03:08 PM
KC may be the best option for next year, but to me that's a entirely different question from who he is NOW. To me, he is the same guy he has been for the last THREE AND A HALF YEARS. Decent game, good game, dear-god-how-he-still-be-in-the-league game, less than good game, really good game. All mixed in together.

LOL! :laughing- True. I'm hoping to see fewer of those, anyway.

A10sROCK
10-31-2015, 08:18 PM
You guys are seriously cracking me up. Give me one QB in the history of the NFL with the amount of starting QB experience Kirk has (on a team that is still building around him) that showed the "consistency" you all say he lacks, and the flawless decision making you all say he should have attained by now.

This whole thread is a joke - Who is Kirk Cousins? -------> :Flush:

KC is 27 and has been in the NFL for 4 years, and has spent most of that time as the backup QB for a generally lousy team. He's NOT a rookie. He's got this entire season to show what he's made of. What our GM is looking for is steady improvement throughout this entire 16 game season. I personally hope that KC turns out to be the long-term franchise QB that the 'skins have been searching for over the last 25 years. But honestly right now I see him making some good moves and also some bad ones. He just had a very good game that showed that he has the fire in his belly to make a comeback victory. Let's see how he does - he controls his own destiny. Next season RG3 will be gone. If KC steadily improves and helps this team win some games he could get himself more games next year. But if he stays as an average or below guy who throws too many INT then McC will draft a QB with our first pick.

The NFL is a QB-driven game and KC has a whole season to show that he can be the passer / leader that this team needs to win football games. If he can exhibit an ability to win games then he'll be part of a steadily improving football team. I also want to see how KC does when Desean finally comes back on the roster...

Schneed10
10-31-2015, 11:08 PM
It's not that simple, Schneed, because Kirk can become a FA in 2016. The Skins can't just decide how much they would like to pay him or even if they get to keep him.

If Kirk plays well, by the time this season is over we may have real competition from other teams for Kirk's services. If so, we'll probably need to pay him more money on a longer contract if we want to keep him.

If he's that good they'll tag him. Chill, bro.

EARTHQUAKE2689
11-01-2015, 01:55 AM
If he's that good they'll tag him. Chill, bro.

You better stop with that sense making stuff, can't go around talking logic to peoplex. That's how people get hurt

KI Skins Fan
11-01-2015, 09:42 AM
If he's that good they'll tag him. Chill, bro.

Gee, I must admit I forgot all about the tag. Nevermind.

Chico23231
11-01-2015, 09:53 AM
Projected qb franchise tag is over 25 million. Poor choice IMO, real poor choice

over the mountain
11-02-2015, 10:47 AM
Projected qb franchise tag is over 25 million. Poor choice IMO, real poor choice

I thought there was no way the Qb tag would be 25 mil next year but wholly hell, it currently is. Apparently some back loaded contracts are coming due resulting in a QB franchise tag increase of 37%!!!!! The number may go down in some of the top 5 restructure.

Joe Flacco $28,550,000
Drew Brees $27,400,000
Ben Roethlisberger $23,950,000
Matt Ryan $23,750,000
Matthew Stafford $22,500,000


https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/3737fz/why_is_the_qb_franchise_tag_price_projected_to_be/

^^ pretty good fan conversation on next years projected franchise Qb tag.

2016 Quarterback Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap (http://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2016/)

^^ Qbs get paid. Kirk is easily going to get btw 6 and 14 mil per if he continues to play decent.

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