Who is Kirk Cousins?

If you do not have KC for next year....who do you have?
The better the roster gets around him, the shinier KC will get. SM is well aware of this and if a better alternative presents itself, I am confident he will act on it.

I'm not a KC hater, check the posts where it was announced he would start over Griffin. I do believe that if he was less up and down, we would be in first in this year's NFC East even with our other issues. KI made good points on the qbr, and I acknowledged that.

You're a fair-minded person but you still don't get it concerning Kirk Cousins' ability level. What you seem to want out of Kirk is something that only elite QB's can deliver. Kirk can't do what you want him to do because he is an average NFL QB. I thought the QBR analysis I did would show you that Kirk is no less consistent than any other average QB, yet they are all inconsistent.

The bottom line is that you are currently getting out of Kirk as much as you have a right to expect of him. The primary way Kirk can get significantly better is for the rest of the team to get better around him.

We haven't won more games because our team wasn't good enough to win more games. The only reason we could possibly be in first place after today's game is that the rest of the division is playing down to our level.

You're a fair-minded person but you still don't get it concerning Kirk Cousins' ability level. What you seem to want out of Kirk is something that only elite QB's can deliver. Kirk can't do what you want him to do because he is an average NFL QB. I thought the QBR analysis I did would show you that Kirk is no less consistent than any other average QB, yet they are all inconsistent.

The bottom line is that you are currently getting out of Kirk as much as you have a right to expect of him. The primary way Kirk can get significantly better is for the rest of the team to get better around him.
We haven't won more games because our team wasn't good enough to win more games. The only reason we could possibly be in first place after today's game is that the rest of the division is playing down to our level.

This. It is, essentially, what I have been saying all along. What you see is what you get.

If you do not have KC for next year....who do you have?
The better the roster gets around him, the shinier KC will get. SM is well aware of this and if a better alternative presents itself, I am confident he will act on it.

The question that have is this: will he ever amount to anything larger than just a game manager?

This. It is, essentially, what I have been saying all along. What you see is what you get.

Well, I do think that Kirk can and will continue to improve his mental and physical skills as an NFL QB; however, I don't think he'll ever be an elite QB. OTOH, I think he may be able to get to a level equivalent to Eli Manning and Jay Cutler; e.g., the best of the rest. Is that good enough on a strong team? I'd say "yes", as proven by Eli's Super Bowl rings.

This. It is, essentially, what I have been saying all along. What you see is what you get.


Is what we see this year what we saw last? Not imo. So I will respectfully disagree that he has reach his ceiling, which is what I believe you are saying.

IF Kirk is not a bright spot on roster how the heck did he win NFC player of week not once but twice..what other redskin player has done that?? What is a ELITE QB anyway? does that mean you can put that guy on any team and he takes them all the way? does the team around the QB make him elite or not..does the coach or system have anything to do with that ELITE status? please tell us!! Are you saying that Brady could come in here with this staff and system and win us 10 games every year? How do you explain all the other so called elite QB's that have fallen on hard times lately..ROGERS,WILSON,LUCK..OH they are not elite anymore because they are not winning..Let me get this straight and help me out.IF your TEAM wins you are considered an ELITE QB if your TEAM struggles you are not..the common theme is the word TEAM..someday some of you will understand this concept .

rocnrik, great. Won NFC player of the week twice. Yay. However, bottom line, to date, he has roughly as many INT's and fumbles as TD passes. Just off the top of my head, an elite QB has about a 3:1 / TD:TO ratio. A good QB a 2:1 ratio. An average QB has about a 1:1 ratio.

I am not going to repeat past arguments about KC and his ceiling. Nothing this year has changed my perception of him as being consistently inconsistent. I believe he has reached his ceiling. He can win with a good team around him and when he hits on most cylinders.

If he puts a string of six games in a row with a 2:1 or better TD/TO ratio, I will be convinced he has taken a step. I fully expect, however, that he will continue his ~ 1:1 ratio.

Kirk's TD/TO ratio were:

2012 - 4/4 (3 games; 3 INT's)
2013 - 4/10 (5 games; 7 INT's)
2014 - 10/11 (6 games; 9 INT's)
2015 - 15/13 (11 games; 10 INT's)

Teams can win with numbers like these, but not consistently. To me, and to be a better than average QB, over the long run you have to score twice as much as you turn the ball over.

Again, I still believe he is the best option at this point and likely next year.

I waited before playing the kc hater role but he got lucky we didn't start off with a pick six.

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