When is Enough ,Enough?

Interaction with police will lead to your death. 60 million interactions a year across this country.

Yeah but when it does typically it's a black man involved. And really isn't that the big picture issue we're talking about? A long established history of racial inequality and the police overstepping time and time again when it comes to minorities.

I was just told Trump should have locked down the country in January, that would have been ok somehow. And now he is calling in support to cities where violence is hurting communities, businesses, citizens, and police...now he is a dictator? The narratives don’t make any sense.

We understand people and police were attacked in multiple cities last night? We understand that the once peaceful protest have been Co-opted by alt left violent groups? We do understand that right? We all agree this isn’t right?

1. Trump doesn't take significant action, he is not a leader
2. Trump does take significant action, he is a dictator

Either way he loses and orange man bad.

And ignore all violence and looting that is completely hijacking the death of Mr. Floyd and the issue of police brutality that does need to be addressed. Ignore that people's property is being destroyed and people themselves are being hurt. Ignore that this is leading to more deaths. Ignore that significant chunks of towns are being destroyed. Ignore that it appears agitators are being bussed into places to inflame tensions and riots. A bunch of Officer Barbradys.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/iDDz_B9lbe6c3NmqGoy-WA0gqPCUFpIe-BPqX391QFRZmXInS_eTj8qke2OYHpHdezNxNAqeuqOMT_YCPJZ qrVTPvdwcmKETblvIZ61g1RfeuAnLqxA3nfh8i2tDnX4_2TThI RLFbX3Q6dx7cr5fdOYU4HYk0jsdwYk

Protesters several weeks ago, it was the same whining complaints. Now we see the obvious reversal of the narrative. You and the media can’t both ways.

Lethally flawed, absolutely not. This is a terrible murder by a dirty cop no question...It’s simply not the norm. Crime data doesn’t support it. This is exactly what the media does, they will take this and weave it into a narrative which is not based in fact...it’s emotional, tragic situation where we can get better, but it’s not the norm.

Worrying about dollars and worrying about peoples lives are not the same. You see a reversal of narrative I see a sticking to the narrative; public health and life are more important.

In terms of data I'm sorry it is just not true here is some peer reviewed papers for you to help you better understand what is going on:

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/lasr.12366

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2018.304559

There is a significant gap in training in police forces. Especially when it comes to mental health and social emotional disabilities both of which impact African Americans at a higher rate. Going further African Americans males receive longer sentences than white males for the same crime (https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing) This leads to likely increases in recidivism leading to increased police interactions.

For the record I am not anti-police as with any profession that vast majority are honest and hardworking people. That does not mean that they handle situations appropriately. We have as a society decided not to fund and properly train our police compared to other developed countries.

You really want to die on this hill that the President threatening military force against our own people is ok? Tear gassing citizens on his way to an asinine photo op is ok?

So you are just willing to wait till the people who have become violent and destroying property and looting run out of energy? These incidents seem to be escalating. Remember the 1992 Los Angeles riots? The mass destruction didn't take place till the cops that beat Rodney King were acquitted. Here we have a cop in jail charged with murder, yet same crap as with the Rodney King incident.

Yeah but when it does typically it's a black man involved. And really isn't that the big picture issue we're talking about? A long established history of racial inequality and the police overstepping time and time again when it comes to minorities.

There is a prior history and it’s been acknowledged by everyone. Systematic changes have been made...improvements everywhere. Are there areas we can improve? absolutely. Better training, oversight and a weeding out of bad cops....but we can’t loose our heads and that’s what happening in the last 36 hours. The data shows 9 black unarmed killed last year by police...I don’t know the stories. 19 white unarmed.

The looting and rioting is unacceptable period. The killing of George Floyd is unacceptable period. The media spin is helping fuel this as usual, the dishonesty is offensive.

1. Trump doesn't take significant action, he is not a leader
2. Trump does take significant action, he is a dictator

Either way he loses and orange man bad.

And ignore all violence and looting that is completely hijacking the death of Mr. Floyd and the issue of police brutality that does need to be addressed. Ignore that people's property is being destroyed and people themselves are being hurt. Ignore that this is leading to more deaths. Ignore that significant chunks of towns are being destroyed. Ignore that it appears agitators are being bussed into places to inflame tensions and riots. A bunch of Officer Barbradys.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/iDDz_B9lbe6c3NmqGoy-WA0gqPCUFpIe-BPqX391QFRZmXInS_eTj8qke2OYHpHdezNxNAqeuqOMT_YCPJZ qrVTPvdwcmKETblvIZ61g1RfeuAnLqxA3nfh8i2tDnX4_2TThI RLFbX3Q6dx7cr5fdOYU4HYk0jsdwYk

Nobody is ignoring it. 15 states have already called up national guards and others such as DC which have small national guards have asked neighboring states for guard assistance last I checked so no one is ignoring the looters. You are correct there are people that will look at trump and never agree with him. They were never going to vote for him anyway so no harm no foul. Going out and saying the states need to do a better job of establishing order IMO is a good thing for him. It is going to appeal to a large portion of the population that believes when you loosen the reigns crime and a lack of discipline increases. Using gas and flash grenades to clear peaceful protesters is what I have a problem with.

Using gas and flash grenades to clear peaceful protesters is what I have a problem with.

What do you propose, fire hoses and water cannons? Enough is enough, all the incidents of looting and mass destruction started as "peaceful protests". I am pretty sure the gas and grenades game out well after crowds were told to disperse and they failed to do so.

What do you propose, fire hoses and water cannons? Enough is enough, all the incidents of looting and mass destruction started as "peaceful protests". I am pretty sure the gas and grenades game out well after crowds were told to disperse and they failed to do so.

How about he make his comments from the oval office?

Just a crazy question but why is tear gas forbidden to use in war but ok to use on civilians?

Worrying about dollars and worrying about peoples lives are not the same. You see a reversal of narrative I see a sticking to the narrative; public health and life are more important.

In terms of data I'm sorry it is just not true here is some peer reviewed papers for you to help you better understand what is going on:

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/lasr.12366

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2018.304559

There is a significant gap in training in police forces. Especially when it comes to mental health and social emotional disabilities both of which impact African Americans at a higher rate. Going further African Americans males receive longer sentences than white males for the same crime (https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing) This leads to likely increases in recidivism leading to increased police interactions.

For the record I am not anti-police as with any profession that vast majority are honest and hardworking people. That does not mean that they handle situations appropriately. We have as a society decided not to fund and properly train our police compared to other developed countries.

Thanks I’ll look through it. A couple things off the bat strike me as kinda off, especially if you are gonna dive into mental health and emotional issues...at the same time blame police And the justice system because they are not equipped. Look at root cause of why there is these issues. It’s like taking kids to school and acting like they are the baby sitter...the expectation they should need to deal with it is incorrect. Plus simply saying black people have more of these issues...not sure on that.

Recidivism rates is always a hot topic because that’s the key to curbing...but I’ll look at what you sent.

As someone who worked in juvenile justice, I did see emotional issues and resources were abundant to address these on many levels, a lot of time people don’t use them when there were free. You know what the driver is for juvenile crime and justice? Bad fucking parents period. I worked in a mostly white rural county and I worked in a major diverse city. Fact check: true. Substance abuse and mental issue distance second and third.

I agree about training always...but with the policing culture there needs to be active conversations about identifying bad police. Whistle blower protection through chain of command, review of all injuries suspects receive in police contact, etc