When is Enough ,Enough?

Just a crazy question but why is tear gas forbidden to use in war but ok to use on civilians?

Because effective and non lethal? We can’t blow bubbles on them MTK.

Yeah but when it does typically it's a black man involved. And really isn't that the big picture issue we're talking about? A long established history of racial inequality and the police overstepping time and time again when it comes to minorities.

More whites are killed by police than black people, it just never gets the media coverage, and no one riots over it. Speaking of racial inequality of minorities, ever look at crime statistics for Asians? Ever look at the rate they get killed by police? They are better behaved than the average white person, and less likely on a percentage basis to get killed by a cop than a white person.

Asians have been victims of racism in this country for decades all the way back to Chinese railroad workers working in miserable conditions for next to nothing pay as recent immigrants after the civil war. Didn't we round up all the Japanese and put them in internment camps during WWII?

How have Asians been able to over come obstacles that other minorities that were discriminated against could not? I think my answer would be their culture. I worked at a company that had lots of Asian workers. They spoke of disciplined up bringing and strong family values. If an Asian boy brought home bad grades or hung out with the wrong crowd you could bet he would be in for a rough time from his parents. I often heard people make fun of Asians at that job in the early 90's. There was one rather large guy who couldn't stop referring to them as dog eaters sometimes right to their face. He unfortunately did not work under me so I could not send him to the unemployment line. His boss just thought his behavior was funny.

Between 2013 and 2019, police in the United States killed 7,666 people, according to data compiled by Mapping Police Violence, a research and advocacy group. On May 25, 2020 at 9:25pm (02:25 GMT, May 26), George Floyd, a 46-year-old resident of Minnesota, became yet another victim of police brutality as he was killed in police custody while unarmed. Floyd's death has prompted thousands of protesters to march in cities around the country demanding justice and an end to police violence.

The number of police killings in the US disproportionately affects African Americans. Despite only making up 13 percent of the US population, Black Americans are two-and-a-half times as likely as white Americans to be killed by the police.

Unsurprisingly, the three largest states - California, Texas and Florida - have the highest total number of killings of Black people by police officers. Once these figures are adjusted for the population size and demographics, in nearly every state, African Americans face a significantly higher risk of being killed by police officers than white Americans.

In Utah, the African Americans comprise just 1.06 percent of the population but they accounted for 10 percent of police killings over the past seven years - a disproportional rate of 9.21 times. In Minnesota, Black Americans are nearly four times as likely to be killed by law enforcement, with Black victims comprising 20 percent of those killed, despite comprising only 5 percent of the overall population.

Mapping US police killings of Black Americans (https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2020/05/mapping-police-killings-black-americans-200531105741757.html)

As someone who worked in juvenile justice, I did see emotional issues and resources were abundant to address these on many levels, a lot of time people don’t use them when there were free. You know what the driver is for juvenile crime and justice? Bad fucking parents period. I worked in a mostly white rural county and I worked in a major diverse city. Fact check: true. Substance abuse and mental issue distance second and third.



I suppose I will disagree to an extent on the bad parents. My nephew is a sociopath for which there is no cure, he was given all kinds of drugs and all forms of parenting tried. At the age of 12 he went from an A student to the world's biggest loser. By the time he was 16 he had been in and out of juvenile hall 9 times. All kinds of parenting techniques were tried. His parents divorced when he was 10. Between the ages of 16 and 18 he lived with mom, dad, grandma, and uncle Bob. Now at the age of 25, he lives in prison. After he left my place when he was 18 a few months later he was thrown in jail for attempted strangulation of his girlfriend, he only got 2-5 years but he obviously parlayed that into a longer sentence. He is up for parole this October with a release date of 2023. I hope he keeps screwing up in prison the world is not safe with him breathing free air. He will eventually kill someone. Nothing is ever his fault and he actually bragged about the crimes he committed as a juvenile. He left here on very bad terms I only find updates on him from Goggling.

I have also seen quite a few loser kids come from good parents whose other siblings turned out just fine.

Between 2013 and 2019, police in the United States killed 7,666 people, according to data compiled by Mapping Police Violence, a research and advocacy group. On May 25, 2020 at 9:25pm (02:25 GMT, May 26), George Floyd, a 46-year-old resident of Minnesota, became yet another victim of police brutality as he was killed in police custody while unarmed. Floyd's death has prompted thousands of protesters to march in cities around the country demanding justice and an end to police violence.

The number of police killings in the US disproportionately affects African Americans. Despite only making up 13 percent of the US population, Black Americans are two-and-a-half times as likely as white Americans to be killed by the police.

Unsurprisingly, the three largest states - California, Texas and Florida - have the highest total number of killings of Black people by police officers. Once these figures are adjusted for the population size and demographics, in nearly every state, African Americans face a significantly higher risk of being killed by police officers than white Americans.

In Utah, the African Americans comprise just 1.06 percent of the population but they accounted for 10 percent of police killings over the past seven years - a disproportional rate of 9.21 times. In Minnesota, Black Americans are nearly four times as likely to be killed by law enforcement, with Black victims comprising 20 percent of those killed, despite comprising only 5 percent of the overall population.

Mapping US police killings of Black Americans (https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2020/05/mapping-police-killings-black-americans-200531105741757.html)

This is such a bad article on so many levels and speaks to manipulate stats for a narrative. Never mind the resource is from an anti police group.

This is such a bad article on so many levels and speaks to manipulate stats for a narrative. Never mind the resource is from an anti police group.

Show me evidence the numbers are wrong

Risk of Police-Involved Death by Race/Ethnicity and Place, United States, 2012–2018 (https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2018.304559)

Thanks I’ll look through it. A couple things off the bat strike me as kinda off, especially if you are gonna dive into mental health and emotional issues...at the same time blame police And the justice system because they are not equipped. Look at root cause of why there is these issues. It’s like taking kids to school and acting like they are the baby sitter...the expectation they should need to deal with it is incorrect. Plus simply saying black people have more of these issues...not sure on that.

Recidivism rates is always a hot topic because that’s the key to curbing...but I’ll look at what you sent.

As someone who worked in juvenile justice, I did see emotional issues and resources were abundant to address these on many levels, a lot of time people don’t use them when there were free. You know what the driver is for juvenile crime and justice? Bad fucking parents period. I worked in a mostly white rural county and I worked in a major diverse city. Fact check: true. Substance abuse and mental issue distance second and third.

I agree about training always...but with the policing culture there needs to be active conversations about identifying bad police. Whistle blower protection through chain of command, review of all injuries suspects receive in police contact, etc

Bad parenting is a major issue. I work in a high school so I know what you mean. The amount of resources we are spending on social and emotional development increases every year. Ideally I would like to see those resources channeled towards the elementary schools where we can address behavior and societal norms at an early age (a social worker and behavior interventionist at every elementary school) and thus decrease lost time in the classroom due to management issues at the high school level. Ideally parents would be the driving force.

Between 2013 and 2019, police in the United States killed 7,666 people, according to data compiled by Mapping Police Violence, a research and advocacy group. On May 25, 2020 at 9:25pm (02:25 GMT, May 26), George Floyd, a 46-year-old resident of Minnesota, became yet another victim of police brutality as he was killed in police custody while unarmed. Floyd's death has prompted thousands of protesters to march in cities around the country demanding justice and an end to police violence.

The number of police killings in the US disproportionately affects African Americans. Despite only making up 13 percent of the US population, Black Americans are two-and-a-half times as likely as white Americans to be killed by the police.

Unsurprisingly, the three largest states - California, Texas and Florida - have the highest total number of killings of Black people by police officers. Once these figures are adjusted for the population size and demographics, in nearly every state, African Americans face a significantly higher risk of being killed by police officers than white Americans.

In Utah, the African Americans comprise just 1.06 percent of the population but they accounted for 10 percent of police killings over the past seven years - a disproportional rate of 9.21 times. In Minnesota, Black Americans are nearly four times as likely to be killed by law enforcement, with Black victims comprising 20 percent of those killed, despite comprising only 5 percent of the overall population.

Mapping US police killings of Black Americans (https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2020/05/mapping-police-killings-black-americans-200531105741757.html)

According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with Whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%.

You think the above might contribute to interactions with police ending badly?

I don't get into victim blaming sorry