When is Enough ,Enough?

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I honestly think people like G1 are far more fascinating in that Trump could bring about world peace, offer free healthcare to all, and ensure social security would never fail, and G1/many others would still hate his guts.

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LOL, I am in your head !!! If trump could do all that no one would hate him .He just lies about it and when caught in said lies blames someone else and always has. Simply put some people back trump becuase others don't and that is indirect correlation to the downward spiral of this county. Trump supporters support trump and not the country they give him free reign to commit fraud.

LOL, I am in your head !!!.You probably are, but only because I don't understand how a person can be, apparently, well read, intelligent, presumably financially middle class or better and yet still be completely lacking in the skillsets of reading comprehension, critical thinking, and reasoned debate. It truly boggles my mind...

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You probably are, but only because I don't understand how a person can be, apparently, well read, intelligent, presumably financially middle class or better and yet still be completely lacking in the skillsets of reading comprehension, critical thinking, and reasoned debate. It truly boggles my mind...

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I was thinking the same thing..................

I think we can all agree that any number of Trump's scandals would have destroyed any other candidate, and yet he still emerges through the inevitable next one.


I closely monitored the polls and the offshore betting odds, those betting odds can be more accurate than the polls sometimes. As a person who votes Republican 98% of the time and despises Hillary Clinton I was starting to become concerned with Trumps early front running position in the primaries. As Trump continued to stick his foot in his mouth Rubio finally passed him to the point Trump's odds were double of Rubio's to win the nomination. Rubio was a strong favorite until the Rubio-bot short circuited in the debate. Rubio instantly sank down the leader board and Trump retook the lead.

After Rubio's misfire I kept watching the odds and polls. Every time Trump got a big negative press hit I would think "That one will drop him down" and I would check his polling numbers and odds and there would be no effect.
I just think he has people who will vote for him no matter what he does and the only other candidate with a strong following was Rubio.

As for him being bullet proof during the final election I think that was a case of who he was running against. I know plenty of democrats that can't stand Hillary Clinton, they probably stayed home or voted 3rd party.

I closely monitored the polls and the offshore betting odds, those betting odds can be more accurate than the polls sometimes. As a person who votes Republican 98% of the time and despises Hillary Clinton I was starting to become concerned with Trumps early front running position in the primaries. As Trump continued to stick his foot in his mouth Rubio finally passed him to the point Trump's odds were double of Rubio's to win the nomination. Rubio was a strong favorite until the Rubio-bot short circuited in the debate. Rubio instantly sank down the leader board and Trump retook the lead.



After Rubio's misfire I kept watching the odds and polls. Every time Trump got a big negative press hit I would think "That one will drop him down" and I would check his polling numbers and odds and there would be no effect.

I just think he has people who will vote for him no matter what he does and the only other candidate with a strong following was Rubio.



As for him being bullet proof during the final election I think that was a case of who he was running against. I know plenty of democrats that can't stand Hillary Clinton, they probably stayed home or voted 3rd party.Hillary vs Trump was the worst of worsts in terms of both psrties moral character. As to the thread topic that givea me anotger thought, that is pretty true for me.

When i voted for Trump it was 100% antiHC, strong support of his presumed SC justice choice(s), and anti-govt bureaucracy stance. I knew he came with stupid and even ignorant parts, but at the general election policy overrode idiocy, so i already heavily discounted that aspect of his presidency.

I also think the strident nature of both sides increases both sides unwillingbess to bend for the good of the country.

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Your bias is showing you Trump cult member.

Your response is weak and shows a lack of willingness to discuss in good faith.

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Thank you for your response Cred, Buffalobob.

Bob I am one of those liberals that isn't a Clinton fan, I really don't like her ties to Wall St. The paid speeches indicate she has a vested interest in seeing Wall St. succeed. As someone who hovers on the line between middle-to-lower class due to the high cost of living around here I'm not interested in solutions that make Wall St. wealthier. Trickle-down doesn't work, if you make stock prices go up the only people who benefit are ones who own stock. With all that said in hindsight I feel Clinton should've gotten my vote.

Your response is weak and shows a lack of willingness to discuss in good faith.

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Thank you for your response Cred, Buffalobob.

Bob I am one of those liberals that isn't a Clinton fan, I really don't like her ties to Wall St. The paid speeches indicate she has a vested interest in seeing Wall St. succeed. As someone who hovers on the line between middle-to-lower class due to the high cost of living around here I'm not interested in solutions that make Wall St. wealthier. Trickle-down doesn't work, if you make stock prices go up the only people who benefit are ones who own stock. With all that said in hindsight I feel Clinton should've gotten my vote.

Anybody without a head in the sand knows the quality of the middle class life in this country has went steadily downhill. I was always interested with adult things when I was a kid and loved math. In 1968 we bought a new house in a nice neighborhood in the Palm Springs area 2300 sq ft 4br 2 bath and had a pool put in. Brand new Ford Truck and brand new Volkswagen. We often ate steak, took vacations, and wore decent clothes. My dad was a traffic cop and my mom worked at what now is Target as a cashier. We were a family of 4. Parents got divorced 5 years later with the cars paid off, equity in the house, and no other debts.

Our life would not be happening anywhere in the USA in 2019 on a traffic cop and department store cashier's salary. My dad rarely worked overtime.

Why? It is probably a combination of many things, some without solutions. Offshoring of manufacturing and globalization are one of them. Wage stagnation caused by the prior in a lot of manufacturing sectors another. Illegal immigration probably contributes also to the wage stagnation. Another is even in a recession the cost of housing is still way more expensive adjusted for inflation decades ago.

Good example of cost of housing, the apartment in Orange Count Ca my grandma was paying $155 a month for in 1977 when she died now costs $1575. If that 1977 rent was just adjusted for inflation it would be $655 now.
Who do you blame that on. Back then people with a good work ethic could start training in a skilled trade starting around double minimum wage now those same jobs start trainees at minimum. I also remember buddies starting out bagging groceries at double minimum, now those are minimum wage jobs.

You really nailed with the COL/wage/inflation relationship expanding since the 70's, salaries just haven't risen the way the price of everything else has. The idea of a blue collar worker making enough to afford to live in the area he works is unrealistic nowadays.

The issue I have with your generation is implying millennials are lazy or entitled when wages just aren't what they used to be. I am one of 26 parts countermen maintaining a fleet of 6200 vehicles, including 1800 school buses, 500-600 police and fire apparatus, around 200 solid waste trucks and everything in between. It's a skilled job that people can't just walk in off the street and learn how to do in a day. It requires constant learning as technology in vehicles also keeps evolving. But the reality is the only coworkers I have that live in Fairfax County bought houses here 30 years ago and are close to retirement. Everyone else lives 20-50 miles down 95 or 66 where the COL is cheaper. Most of us have 2nd jobs because the county doesn't pay well to get by on one salary. You'll never be able to convince me the service we provide isn't worthy of a decent salary. But the reality is when it comes to the budget, we're an afterthought. I'm not even sure citizens know our department exists.

Anyways the point I make is I blame corporations and the gov't for giving tax breaks in exchange for creating jobs, even if it means those jobs are low paying and do nothing to help low-income communities break out of poverty. I blame the wealthy for not paying their fair share of taxes, like they did in the 40+ years after WW2 where the marginal tax rate was between 70-90%. Money buys privilege and power, and the only goal of the wealthy is to keep hoarding as much as possible at our expense. Every day we see a new example of that. Today's example: Jeffrey Epstein. You can't convince me if Epstein was some poor broke fucker that manipulated people into bringing him girls to traumatize he would've gotten off with the sentence he did in '08.

Anyways I know you probably disagree with much of what I just said, but I respect your willingness to engage in discussion civilly.

You really nailed with the COL/wage/inflation relationship expanding since the 70's, salaries just haven't risen the way the price of everything else has. The idea of a blue collar worker making enough to afford to live in the area he works is unrealistic nowadays.



The issue I have with your generation is implying millennials are lazy or entitled when wages just aren't what they used to be. I am one of 26 parts countermen maintaining a fleet of 6200 vehicles, including 1800 school buses, 500-600 police and fire apparatus, around 200 solid waste trucks and everything in between. It's a skilled job that people can't just walk in off the street and learn how to do in a day. It requires constant learning as technology in vehicles also keeps evolving. But the reality is the only coworkers I have that live in Fairfax County bought houses here 30 years ago and are close to retirement. Everyone else lives 20-50 miles down 95 or 66 where the COL is cheaper. Most of us have 2nd jobs because the county doesn't pay well to get by on one salary. You'll never be able to convince me the service we provide isn't worthy of a decent salary. But the reality is when it comes to the budget, we're an afterthought. I'm not even sure citizens know our department exists.



Anyways the point I make is I blame corporations and the gov't for giving tax breaks in exchange for creating jobs, even if it means those jobs are low paying and do nothing to help low-income communities break out of poverty. I blame the wealthy for not paying their fair share of taxes, like they did in the 40+ years after WW2 where the marginal tax rate was between 70-90%. Money buys privilege and power, and the only goal of the wealthy is to keep hoarding as much as possible at our expense. Every day we see a new example of that. Today's example: Jeffrey Epstein. You can't convince me if Epstein was some poor broke fucker that manipulated people into bringing him girls to traumatize he would've gotten off with the sentence he did in '08.



Anyways I know you probably disagree with much of what I just said, but I respect your willingness to engage in discussion civilly.I think super rich is an issue. I define super rich as having a net worth of 100 years of "middle class" annual wage or 70k x100yrs in one year.

I believe over that rate there should be far higher tax rates. But you do have to incentivize capital markets for investment purposes so i probably could never put together a coherent tax strategy. I also don't believe anyone making under 70k should have to pay anything in taxes. I know generally they are leaning most on government, but the system should be geared to getting people on their own instead of creating dependency.

I suppose i am incoherently babbling, but i don't have a clue how to actually fix the things that are so broken in this country, and if i did no politician would listen anyways...

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Flat tax, with no federal taxes for any single filer on the 1st 30K or 60K for joint filers. This would drastically help middle and lower classes. But democrat and republican politicians will never propose it because they are sucking off the teets of the taxpayers to fund their cronies and they refuse to make any real cuts in spending.

I don't think all businesses and corporations are amazing but I don't think government is either. Government spending is too much. And if you try to cut 1 dollar from any program you're throwing people off cliffs, or you hate the military, etc.

The government should have to bend to the tax money available, not try to find new ways to take more of our money.