When is Enough ,Enough?


MTK
07-16-2018, 05:14 PM
Trump is so in bed with the Russians they know more about his cock than Melania does. Disgraceful.

Chico23231
07-16-2018, 05:18 PM
I just don't get the strategy....Trump has leverage and has used it relatively affectively with NATO, in the Middle East, with/against China, the entire Korean peninsula....wins across the board.

He has more than enough leverage against Russia and comes up outstanding short. Not only does he come off weak...but its not the same dude. He sounds off his game...def the worst he's looked on the national stage. Could Chuck Schumar be right? Weird. Trump looked and sounded like Jeb Bush during the presidential race.

punch it in
07-16-2018, 06:49 PM
1) he is more concerned with the legitimacy of his presidency than the security of our country
2) he is being blackmailed

Pick whichever one you want. Either or they are both reason enough to impeach his ass before we are screwed beyond belief. If we are not already.

CRedskinsRule
07-16-2018, 06:58 PM
1) he is more concerned with the legitimacy of his presidency than the security of our country
2) he is being blackmailed

Pick whichever one you want. Either or they are both reason enough to impeach his ass before we are screwed beyond belief. If we are not already.

I think it's number 1, but he certainly moved a step closer to impeachment with today's performance. In the thread What Would It Take I said:
2) making a unjustified deal with Russia. I don't think we should be Ukraine's protector, but we definitely should be committed to NATO. Any deal that trades any NATO member's security for Russian cooperation would break my faith in him.
I don't think any deal was signed today, but it was damn close to the edge. Now, I don't have any problem with the tough talk to NATO members - that's kind of the wounds of your friends type stuff - but there was zero hint of a behind the scenes negotiation or confrontation with Putin, that should have followed his NATO/UK meetings.

mooby
07-16-2018, 07:06 PM
1) he is more concerned with the legitimacy of his presidency than the security of our country
2) he is being blackmailed

Pick whichever one you want. Either or they are both reason enough to impeach his ass before we are screwed beyond belief. If we are not already.

I think #2 seems plausible. Russia - money - Trump. I think there's a connection there that predates his political days, and once the dots are connected Congress will have to seriously consider it (whether they do is a whole other story, given that for some Republicans it seems party comes before country.) Trump is the hand that feeds right now, and his political supporters might not want to bite it.

As they say, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. We hate Russia, Trump hates us, it only makes sense that some of his supporters (excluding Cred and Chico) would be willing to give Russia the benefit of the doubt.

CRedskinsRule
07-16-2018, 08:17 PM
I think #2 seems plausible. Russia - money - Trump. I think there's a connection there that predates his political days, and once the dots are connected Congress will have to seriously consider it (whether they do is a whole other story, given that for some Republicans it seems party comes before country.) Trump is the hand that feeds right now, and his political supporters might not want to bite it.

As they say, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. We hate Russia, Trump hates us, it only makes sense that some of his supporters (excluding Cred and Chico) would be willing to give Russia the benefit of the doubt.Trump is misreading his base if he thinks that any of the Republicans or conservatives or tea party or Libertarians that lean conservative or MAGA crowd want to be soft on Russia. It's more shocking that the Democrats who hate Trump have now found this fear and anger and distrust of Russia, when -from Mondale to Obama - they generally wanted reset after reset, friendlier relations, etc. In fact if you look at which party aligns closer to Russia's socio-economic plans it would generally be the Democratic Party. That said Trump was definitely way off-base today and probably cost himself a lot of capital across his base and may have lost the House of Representatives.

MTK
07-16-2018, 08:33 PM
http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/

Giantone
07-16-2018, 08:35 PM
I believe he broke his Presidential Oath of Office ,I do and that is an Impeachable offense.

MTK
07-16-2018, 08:46 PM
Trump is Putin’s little bitch

punch it in
07-16-2018, 09:39 PM
This just in : Tucker Carlson has shed new light on the situation....Trump has prevented World War 3 and stupid people on tv do not get it.
Him and Hannity might be the only two people I hate more than Comrade Drumpf.

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