When is Enough ,Enough?

Trump is misreading his base if he thinks that any of the Republicans or conservatives or tea party or Libertarians that lean conservative or MAGA crowd want to be soft on Russia. It's more shocking that the Democrats who hate Trump have now found this fear and anger and distrust of Russia, when -from Mondale to Obama - they generally wanted reset after reset, friendlier relations, etc. In fact if you look at which party aligns closer to Russia's socio-economic plans it would generally be the Democratic Party. That said Trump was definitely way off-base today and probably cost himself a lot of capital across his base and may have lost the House of Representatives.

I don't doubt that there is a portion of his base that actually pays attention to current events and doesn't just blindly follow the leader. But he definitely has a crowd (I guess we'll call them the diehards) where they measure all his actions based off how bad it pisses off the liberals. Aka if we're pissed off, it must be a good move. I base this off people I know, people I used to work with (and now see on FB supporting his every move) and current coworkers (one of whom I was just talking with this morning who said Trump is clearly the only President trying to make peace with Russia and there's nothing to prove Putin has bad intentions :doh:). It's unbelievable.

The question has to be asked, is Trump a threat to our national security at this point?

It's a legit question, especially since you know he'd be the first to cry foul if/when he loses an election. But NC is right, in the intelligence community it needs to be all hands on deck to safeguard our upcoming election this year. After the success they had in 2016 via the troll factory it's safe to assume they will only push harder now.

For me the answer is yes when Trump says he has insisted that Russian intelligence come work with our intelligence to figure out who these dastardly 12 Russians are really working for. Clearly they're deep state actors trying to bring down Putin and Trump.

Without defending Trumps summit, I am curious what US policies regarding Russia would be different if Trump was "more" anti-russian?

Without defending Trumps summit, I am curious what US policies regarding Russia would be different if Trump was "more" anti-russian?

of course when this question was raised by me several years ago as Putin made Obama his little bitch....the responses from the left were "well what do you want a war with Russia?" Very typical, "the GOP are sabre rattling" response.

To be clear, Obama policy towards Russia was terrible (he was Putin lil bitch...its well stated history at this point) and the fact he allowed them to fuck with the elections made it worse. Even when Obama and the administration knew Russia was fucking with the elections Obama told agencies to "stand down"-again, this is FACT.

What to do now?...there are many options, but Trump is isolating so many partners.

Ideally, somehow bringing in Russian who are responsible for election/DNC hacking would be ideal. Putting a face to this shit. Parading them would be great.

I think aggressive actions online against Russian security around election period to demonstrate consequence for previous actions.

Trump and the administration could reach out to Poland and Ukraine making commitments to them. Working with Ukraine to end the war there.

I think on the heals of a NATO conference where Trump seemed to make headway in getting them to kick in more money...announce a strong security deal with the countries that are committed to doing just that.

Germany energy policy. Is there a way Trump and the administration to get a trade deal that German buys less energy from Russia and more from other sources? Map that deal against other Balkan states who have energy deals with Russia.

Chico, an Obama deflection ,really???:doh:

Here comes the pivot

Here comes the pivotIf the claim is that he is under Putins thunb, and that press conference sure as hell looked like that, what policies would you see changed from what is in place. We are certainly more aggressively anti Russia in Ukraine where we are arming Ukraine with weapons that they didnt have before. In Syria we are far more aggressive against Assad's chemical weapons regardless of Russian advisors, we have increased sanctions in general. We have reinstated iranian sanctions.

What policies reflect putins thumb?

Chico, an Obama deflection ,really???:doh:

Context is crucial. But with Trump is definitely different because it’s so out of line with a strategy. Trump actions are detrimental bc we have the facts and he still acted like a bitch...at the same time throwing his own agencies under the bus for either a. selfish incompetence or b. The Russians have his balls in their hands.

There is certainly a difference between the 2 presidencies, neither effective with the Russian policy.

Trump missed a yuge opportunity to say enough is enough...he shrunk

G1 you are going to LOOOOVVEEEE me posting this one!

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/opinions/trump-is-not-evil-just-an-amateur-stanley/index.html

he references a cult, it's CNN (well daily telegraph reposted), he gives Trump credit for being tough on Russia, he points to all sorts of historical references, and I agree with nearly everything he says. (don't like the cult reference lol)

Here comes the pivot



Really!!
They both denounce trump but now try to explain away his treacherous behavior . Next we will hear it was " trump misspoke " or "locker room talk" or "alternative facts".